To Those already turning on CBJ...

[volglass]

If we win the next two games then Butch has done what's expected. If he doesn't, then he has completely underperformed. Over the last 3 weeks this team hasn't given us much confidence that he can seal the deal this season.

 

[Weezer]

Blind allegiance to a coach does not make you a Vol fan. Not anti-Butch, but my allegiance is to the team he happens to be lucky enough to currently coach. Now he has to earn the honor. I hope he does. I'm tired of losing and I'm ready to win again. I understand it's gonna take more than one year, that the program has fallen so far it won't be turned around overnight. Right now, I want to see proof that we're at least headed in the right direction. I haven't really seen that the past two games. I think we saw progression up to the USCjr game, but since then, we've regressed. You can't be satisfied with one great win. If we don't make a bowl, we lose valuable practice time. The next two games are must win situations. Butch knows this, so how he handles it will speak volumes about the type of coach he is.

 

[volfan1231]

I believe in Coach Butch Jones!

I said when he came here that "I'd rather have Coach Jones at Tennessee and lose than have Derek Dooley here and Win". I believe Coach Jones honestly does have a passion for the University of Tennessee and it's nice to see a guy here for passion and not a just a paycheck.

 

[DownTheField]

Clay Travis is turning on James Franklin.

 

[Crazy Ivan]

# of people turning on CBJ - 3

# of threads about this - 300

# of times a day fans lambast other fans for not praising CBJ unconditionally - 3000

# of people sick of all the above - 300,000

# of days it will continue - infinity or until we win a NC, whichever comes first

# of people turning on CBJ - a bunch, based on the # of threads started following the first loss

# of threads about this - a bunch

# of times a day fans lambast other fans for praising CBJ unconditionally - a bunch

# of people sick of all the above - a bunch

# of days it will continue - infinity or until we win a NC, whichever comes first (and then it wil start over again ad nauseum starting with Butch's first loss followiing the NC).

 

[508mikey]

Remind me what Saban's record was his first year at Bama? It takes time to rebuild someone else's mess.

The next US President will realize something like that.

 

[Slingshot]

SJT has listed the one year turnarounds.

Saban, Spurrier, Richt all won the SEC in year two.

I haven't looked up Richt or Surrier but Saban was 6 - 6 his 1st year at Alabama. That's is not a one year turn around. Also Butch only had 30 days to recruit for this years class.

I picked UT to finish 6 - 6 this year. Knowing how far we have fallen.

If I knew then what I know now. (auburn and Missouri being underrated) then I would have picked Tennessee to finish 4 - 8. Just a realistic point of view of shear talent. All things being equal being coaching, penalty's, mental errors, so on talent will win every time.

I can explain it to you. I just can't understand it for you.

 

[RollerVol]

No real Vol Fan is turning on him.

:lolabove:
GO VOLS!

 

[Volador]

I gots me a can au whoopazz in my truck if any y'alls don't respect da Coach.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

18 gets it more than 98% of VN...

I will add if they lose to candy or kent than they r not going to cut it at tn.. The next two games r defining moments for the best staff n america..

No excuse not to make it to a bowl game.

Vandy at worst has equal talent as UT. The fact that anyone judges a coach off one year is completely ignorant.

 

[CountVolcula]

Vandy at worst has equal talent as UT. The fact that anyone judges a coach off one year is completely ignorant.

So if we have equal talent and Franklin beats Jones, does that mean Franklin is a better coach?

Or will they just say that Vanderbilt must have better talent?

 

[Sandvol]

I believe in Coach Butch Jones!

I said when he came here that "I'd rather have Coach Jones at Tennessee and lose than have Derek Dooley here and Win". I believe Coach Jones honestly does have a passion for the University of Tennessee and it's nice to see a guy here for passion and not a just a paycheck.

I can almost assure you that if the paycheck went away the passion would go away. Passion for the school is not enough. It is definitely a start but I want more than passion for the school. Do you have to have passion for your school to be successful? I don't think Saban necessarily has a passion for BAMA. He just has a passion for winning.

 

[tm3]

Alert -- the "true fan" card has been played.

It is all over.

Pack up and go home.

 

[StlCardinals2618]

So if we have equal talent and Franklin beats Jones, does that mean Franklin is a better coach?

Or will they just say that Vanderbilt must have better talent?

So one game determines who is a better coach? I guess joker Phillips is a better coach than Steve spurrier.

 

[patrick]

I would argue that that's exactly what Bruce Pearl did. The change in attitude in Knoxville and environs was almost palpable from the moment he stepped off the plane.

Great post!

 

[Sandvol]

Vandy at worst has equal talent as UT. The fact that anyone judges a coach off one year is completely ignorant.

From my view he doesn't have to win these next two games to be successful. But his team has to play hard. If his team plays hard and does not give up on him then I deem that a success for now. If things turn and the players quit then we're back to Dooley.

 

[CountVolcula]

So one game determines who is a better coach? I guess joker Phillips is a better coach than Steve spurrier.

I'm using VN logic

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

I don't think most people are turning on BJ. I think people just post things in the aftermath of a bad loss that they don't really mean. Sometimes I think that during the season, the board should just shut down from Saturday til about Tuesday after a loss.

I will admit that I am guilty of this at times.

 

[onevol74]

I understand Butch's predicament and think that he needs 3 solid years to earn his keep. But he has issues other than talent that he needs to fix and I do not see it happening. He has a defensive coordinator that is using a totally flawed scheme that can not handle the run. The biggest challenge for our opponents over the last 3 games has been how not to run up the score in the 4th quarter. This is the same scheme that UGA had when we were killing them with the run. My suspicion is that Vandy will not show the same concern. Butch has to show that he has answers.

He also said that this is a process and we would not necessarily see the results in the overall record, but on the field. If that is the case then show me where the improvement is in:

Defensive line,
Linebacker,
Wide Receiver,
Offensive line,
Tackling.

I do not see any progress in these areas from the beginning of the season. In fact, the LB's have completely fallen off the chart. He needs to replace A.J. Johnson with someone who can get into position to make a tackle. A.J. is either mentally or physically challenged in this scheme. Mizzou shifted from a 4 wide to a 5 wide and the QB took a QB draw for 55 yards to the house. The defense never had a chance because A.J. was covering a speedy slot receiver who would have scored if the QB threw it to him. But the QB took the path of least resistance right up the middle where there was not one UT player.

Butch said that as Big Dan goes, so goes our defense. Big Dan is not letting people run completely naked around both ends of the defense. But I really can not say who is responsible because ninety percent of the time there is no one out there to blame.

 

[sjt18]

The good news is that we have a coach that really is an intense guy and once he gets his recruits (with speed and desire) we may actually get this ship going in the right direction. To counter your earliest rebuttal, all rebuilding jobs are different and I really do believe this is not your typical rebuilding job. Imagine if you will trying to rebuild perennial losers like the Detroit Lions and Oakland Raiders. It takes continual effort and is very hard to get rid of the stench of losing.

That's a possibility that has to be left on the table.

My concern is that he brought the wrong DC with him to get the job done and will soon have a tough decision to make.

 

[sjt18]

Butch said that as Big Dan goes, so goes our defense. Big Dan is not letting people run completely naked around both ends of the defense. But I really can not say who is responsible because ninety percent of the time there is no one out there to blame.

No. AJ and the other LB's just have to run around his big butt 5-10 yds into the secondary in order to get to the outside.

Jones was right when he said that... and the failure of this D over the last 3 weeks has alot to do with McCullers getting absolutely, consistently manhandled.

It is hard to play LB with a 350 lb DT in your lap. UT needs DT's that get consistent penetration. Instead of LB's running around a DT to find the play, that QB or RB should be having to make cuts in the backfield or go lateral because of inside penetration. THAT gives the back 7 time to come up and make plays. Mizzou and Auburn both were able to create "traffic" for the LB's by pushing DL's 5-10 yds off the LOS. They used UT's DL's as barriers to someone making a play.

 

[onevol74]

No. AJ and the other LB's just have to run around his big butt 5-10 yds into the secondary in order to get to the outside.

Jones was right when he said that... and the failure of this D over the last 3 weeks has alot to do with McCullers getting absolutely, consistently manhandled.

It is hard to play LB with a 350 lb DT in your lap.

If you realize that then why is McCullers still in the line-up? These coaches are being paid big money to see the things that need to be improved.

 

[sjt18]

and i would have loved to seen what Dooley would have done,if Wilcox and company had been retained

Not me. Dooley would have still been who he is. Wilcox and Chaney would have save his rear last year... and probably bought him 2 or 3 more years. In the meantime, Wilcox and maybe Chaney would have left... and Dooley would have become Chizk. As painful as last year was watching that talent squandered.... it will be better for UT in the long run IMO.

 

[sjt18]

If you realize that then why is McCullers still in the line-up? These coaches are being paid big money to see the things that need to be improved.

I realize that... and that is why it is so profoundly confusing. You have McCullers and other DL's failing... you have some flat out awful play on the OL at times...

Yet Jones who has a history of yanking starters when they don't play well hasn't done anything with them. He has guys behind them that could use the experience for next year. Saulsberry before the injury was BETTER than McCullers. I am sure investing PT in him would pay off in '14. Crowder IMHO should be starting ahead of Stone or Bullard if he can do the mental work. Unlike any of UT's current starters... he plays with a nasty streak.

I honestly can't tell you and I don't like making these kinds of criticisms when the coaches have far more info... but some of this is just way too flagrant.

If you have the stomach to watch the Auburn game again, watch for a play where McCullers was in on the tackle... 8 yds behind where he lined up because the back had nowhere else to go. A DT making a tackle behind 8 yards directly behind where he lined up... isn't doing his job.

 

[tm3]

If you realize that then why is McCullers still in the line-up? These coaches are being paid big money to see the things that need to be improved.

One possible answer that no fan and least of all me even wants to consider is that, like CDD before him, CBJ has "lost" this team and it really does not matter who he puts on the field.

The next two games will tell us a lot.