Tony Basillio confirmed - Kevin Ware won't be released

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droski said:
i'm going to run a player off my team to take the 60th ranked player in the country? i don't think so.
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You don't think it happens? There are already people talking about clearing someone on UT's roster to open up a spot for a CCM recruit to Missouri State. Simply a rumor, but it happens.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Is asking them to wait a week to talk with the new coach unreasonable delay. I don't think so. Giving them an immediate release based on an emotional response to Pearl being fired would be irresponsible by UT. Ware has already indicated that he wanted and release, then didn't want a release, and now wants a release again. Obviously, they need to make an intelligent decision after talking with the new coach. Acting as if UT is destroying their career by this action is ridiculous.
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Why would it be irresponsible? If you're so confident your new coach can convince them to come to Knoxville, why do you need the LOI hanging over their heads. They're trying to strongarm the kids. Period.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why would it be irresponsible? If you're so confident your new coach can convince them to come to Knoxville, why do you need the LOI hanging over their heads. They're trying to strongarm the kids. Period.
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Do you work for a union or something?

Kidding...but, I don't think they are hanging it over their heads. Clearly a difference in opinions, but I think they should give Martin a chance to speak to them. I can almost guarantee Martin and Hamilton will grant them a release if they want one after the meeting. A few days really doesn't hurt in the big scheme of things.
 
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so you guys think we should just get rid of LOI's ? abolish recruiting altogether and just let em decide in august where they want to pack up and go to school?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why would it be irresponsible? If you're so confident your new coach can convince them to come to Knoxville, why do you need the LOI hanging over their heads. They're trying to strongarm the kids. Period.
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I can't envision Mike Hamilton strongarming anyone.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why would it be irresponsible? If you're so confident your new coach can convince them to come to Knoxville, why do you need the LOI hanging over their heads. They're trying to strongarm the kids. Period.
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Isn't this really more of an issue of setting a precedent? Forget whether or not they actually want the players. It's obvious these kids aren't just pure crap, or they wouldn't have offers. But publicly, if you start to release kids form their LOI when they keep talking publicly so much about how they want out of it, it doesn't bode well for future commits when they pull the same stunt (granted we want to keep commits in the future, but not these two). If commits and their families were smart, they just wouldn't sign a LOI immediately to keep their options open. If they are good enough, they can afford to take that risk with fear of the school taking someone else instead.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why would it be irresponsible? If you're so confident your new coach can convince them to come to Knoxville, why do you need the LOI hanging over their heads. They're trying to strongarm the kids. Period.
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No question they want both players to stay with UT. It is much easier to recruit a kid who is already yours, with the LOI in hand, than opening it up for every school in america to recruit them. I think you are correct that there is some level of strongarm efforts involved. I just can't blame a new coach for trying to keep two, or at least one, very talented player on the roster. If they grant them the release, no doubt that they will have options available to them at other schools.
 
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I believe that I heard on the radio yesterday in an interview with CCM that he said his first priority was with the current players on the team, and making sure they knew where things stood, etc. and holding on to them before anything else, especially Harris and Hopson, if at all possible. But, he also wants them to "test the waters", and if they don't go to the NBA he wants to make sure they come back. Can't say I really blame him for any of this.
 
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If CCM waits a few days he will be able to tell Ware and Jones more about who the staff will be and the current plans of the existing members of the team.
 
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MTSUDaff said:
Isn't this really more of an issue of setting a precedent? Forget whether or not they actually want the players. It's obvious these kids aren't just pure crap, or they wouldn't have offers. But publicly, if you start to release kids form their LOI when they keep talking publicly so much about how they want out of it, it doesn't bode well for future commits when they pull the same stunt (granted we want to keep commits in the future, but not these two). If commits and their families were smart, they just wouldn't sign a LOI immediately to keep their options open. If they are good enough, they can afford to take that risk with fear of the school taking someone else instead.
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What precedent? That UT isn't going to force guys to play for coaches who didn't recruit them? Where's the problem in that?
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why would it be irresponsible? If you're so confident your new coach can convince them to come to Knoxville, why do you need the LOI hanging over their heads. They're trying to strongarm the kids. Period.
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Asking a kid to wait until he meets with the new coach before he makes a decision is far from a strong-arm.
 
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Lon Kruger wouldn't have made anybody wait and would've brought numerous titles to Knoxville within the next five years. Right, Hat?
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hatvol96 said:
What happens if he tells UT he doesn't want to wait?
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There are plenty of things in my life I didn't want to do that I had to, but in the end I did them. He will be OK waiting a week. If he then still wants out and UT denies it, then we can all gripe and moan.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
No question they want both players to stay with UT. It is much easier to recruit a kid who is already yours, with the LOI in hand, than opening it up for every school in america to recruit them. I think you are correct that there is some level of strongarm efforts involved. I just can't blame a new coach for trying to keep two, or at least one, very talented player on the roster. If they grant them the release, no doubt that they will have options available to them at other schools.
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Or leverage. Handing it over now would be silly, because you lose it after the meeting anyway.
 
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droski said:
it's called class. forcing a kid to beg for a release when he clearly doesn't want to be there isnt' doing either party any favors. cal had a similar situation when montgomery was hired and ended up with a much better player in the end so it's hardly the end of the world.
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My post wasn't arguing the "class" part. I agree that it's "classy" to release them. I don't know if it's the proper decision or not, but I'll agree that it's more honorable. Just like Sears giving someone a refund for a bigscreen that fell out of the back of your pickup is "classy," but should they be obligated to do that? (Not a good example, off the top of my head).


My point was, you said this:

please point to where in the ncaa rulebook that requires a player to go beg the head coach to be released from his LOI?
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So, you were basing your argument on the fact that no NCAA rule requires a player to "beg the head coach" to have a release.

On the flip side, what NCAA rule requires a coach to give a player a release if he changes his mind? At that point, what's the point of signing a contract?
 
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No1UtFanJmAn147 said:
Then he can sit out a year. That's his choice. But he would be smart to meet with Martin over the weekend and then go from there. He didn't have to sign the LOI, no one does.
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Thus, UT isn't asking. They're strongarming. Good move. I'm sure Brian Gregory is loving getting UT pissing off the Atlanta Celtics folks as a present his first week on the job.
 
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No1UtFanJmAn147 said:
Then he can sit out a year. That's his choice. But he would be smart to meet with Martin over the weekend and then go from there. He didn't have to sign the LOI, no one does.
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So lets say, for sake of argument, that a big center-type player signs with a team and coach currently running a slow paced half court style offense. The coach gets canned, and the new one hired exclusively runs a fast paced press style that doesn't suit the player at all.

His "choices" are to stay, and probably sit the bench, or go somewhere else, but lose a year of eligibility over something he had no control over. Assuming the school won't release him.

Does this seem fair to you?
 
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Thrasher865 said:
My post wasn't arguing the "class" part. I agree that it's "classy" to release them. I don't know if it's the proper decision or not, but I'll agree that it's more honorable. Just like Sears giving someone a refund for a bigscreen that fell out of the back of your pickup is "classy," but should they be obligated to do that? (Not a good example, off the top of my head).


My point was, you said this:



So, you were basing your argument on the fact that no NCAA rule requires a player to "beg the head coach" to have a release.

On the flip side, what NCAA rule requires a coach to give a player a release if he changes his mind? At that point, what's the point of signing a contract?
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no i'm not basing my argument on that at all. i'm saying it's absurd to argue the kid has any obligation to meet with the new head coach. obviously if this was an ncaa rule that would be different.
 
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droski said:
no i'm not basing my argument on that at all. i'm saying it's absurd to argue the kid has any obligation to meet with the new head coach. obviously if this was an ncaa rule that would be different.
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Ok, then you've lost me on the meaning of that statement I originally quoted. Basically now your argument is incomprehensible.
 
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