Top 5 all-time QBs (SIAP)

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1. Montana
2. Peyton
3. Brady
4. Elway
5. Unitas
6. Marino

I couldn't stop at 5. These 6, IMO, are the best to ever play the position and there is a slight drop off after these guys.
 
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UTwild82 said:
1. Montana
2. Peyton
3. Brady
4. Elway
5. Unitas
6. Marino

I couldn't stop at 5. These 6, IMO, are the best to ever play the position and there is a slight drop off after these guys.
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Brady 3 and no Favre. Interesting.
 
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He is not close to being considered one the best qbs to ever play the game, but he's the toughest I ever seen play. Steve McNair was one tough sob, have a lot of respect for that man.
 
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Best ever? Think I'll stick with "my favorites"
Peyton
Montana
Staubach
Bert Jones
Archie Manning
Steve Young
Joe Namath
Ken Stabler
Tom Brady
Fran Tarkington
 
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crusse10 said:
Gunslingers throw interceptions, but they also throw highlights. He's 4th on the list of game-winning drives.

Also leader in TDs and yards.

Oh, and Peyton had a hall-of-famer catching passes for almost his entire career. Favre never had that. Peyton also had a killer O-Line, while Favre is the all-time leader in getting sacked.

(Favre was sacked 255 more times than Peyton. In my opinion, that shows just how incredible his streak of starts is)
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Montana, Favre, Unitas, etc also didn't pass the ball 35+ times a game week after week like some QB's today. Not taking anything away at Peyton's accolades, but the more you pass, the bigger your numbers will be.
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Montana, Favre, Unitas, etc also didn't pass the ball 35+ times a game week after week like some QB's today. Not taking anything away at Peyton's accolades, but the more you pass, the bigger your numbers will be.
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That gets ignored a lot for some reason. Not saying current guys are not great by any means, but stats are a little inflated due to today's pass happy league. That should be taken into consideration. IMO
 
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Number 1: Peyton Manning
Number 2: Joe Montana
Number 3: Tom Brady
Number 4: Troy Aikmen
Number 5: John Elway

Honorable Mention: Marino, Brees, Unitas, Favre, and Young
 
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crusse10 said:
Gunslingers throw interceptions, but they also throw highlights. He's 4th on the list of game-winning drives.

Also leader in TDs and yards.

Oh, and Peyton had a hall-of-famer catching passes for almost his entire career. Favre never had that. Peyton also had a killer O-Line, while Favre is the all-time leader in getting sacked.

(Favre was sacked 255 more times than Peyton. In my opinion, that shows just how incredible his streak of starts is)
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Harrison was made by manning, imo he isnt in the top list of wr of all time. Favre never had a wr stay healthy or on the team long enough. Robert brooks put up good numbers but didnt have the longevity that harrison had. Favre was very good but not top 5 imo, he just tried to make every play a highlight. The reason he was sacked more is because he held onto the ball trying to scramble and make plays where manning threw it away.

Its a tough call who number 1 is but if my team is in the playoffs montana would be my #1 choice to lead us.
 
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no Star ? Staubach ? Bradshaw ? Plunkett? of course that was before they changed the rules and the field to favor the offense,sad in a way,isn't it ? they should really give the defenses a bone back someway or the other,a lot of these so called high powered offenses wouldn't have fared so well back then,i can still remember players getting clothes lined,from the guys on the sidelines,it gave a new meaning to sideline defense lol
 
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No QB in the history of the game has been able to do what Manning can do. He has changed the position singlehandedly. Montana, Marino, Elway, Unitas, Tark, etc. were all great QBs for their time but they didn't put in half the work Manning does and couldn't/didn't have to read coverages, change plays at the line of scrimmage nearly to the level Manning does. Brady doesn't have near that capacity either.

Its like the Tiger/Jack argument. Jack may finish with more majors but never had anywhere close to game Tiger has/had. Tiger changed the game and the game had to change to keep him and the others who have stepped up their game because of him in check. Courses and the field have gotten much tougher since Jack's day.

Regardless of how many rings Peyton finishes with, he is the greatest QB of all time. With stout defenses, there's no telling how many rings he has now. The Colts were a soft team defensively for his entire tenure and he won in spite of that. The Colts have exactly 0 rings or AFC titles if Brady was their QB during Manning's time, and nobody would know who Harrison/Wayne, etc. are. Favre is an idiot. Not in the top 10 best QBs. Sure, he's got stats and a ring but he's a gun slinger who played a LONG time with some really good defenses.

1.) Manning
Daylight
2.) Brady
3.) Montana
4.) Marino
Daylight.
More daylight.
Everybody else.
 
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Rogers72 said:
No QB in the history of the game has been able to do what Manning can do. He has changed the position singlehandedly. Montana, Marino, Elway, Unitas, Tark, etc. were all great QBs for their time but they didn't put in half the work Manning does and couldn't/didn't have to read coverages, change plays at the line of scrimmage nearly to the level Manning does. Brady doesn't have near that capacity either.

Its like the Tiger/Jack argument. Jack may finish with more majors but never had anywhere close to game Tiger has/had. Tiger changed the game and the game had to change to keep him and the others who have stepped up their game because of him in check. Courses and the field have gotten much tougher since Jack's day.

Regardless of how many rings Peyton finishes with, he is the greatest QB of all time. With stout defenses, there's no telling how many rings he has now. The Colts were a soft team defensively for his entire tenure and he won in spite of that. The Colts have exactly 0 rings or AFC titles if Brady was their QB during Manning's time, and nobody would know who Harrison/Wayne, etc. are. Favre is an idiot. Not in the top 10 best QBs. Sure, he's got stats and a ring but he's a gun slinger who played a LONG time with some really good defenses.

1.) Manning
Daylight
2.) Brady
3.) Montana
4.) Marino
Daylight.
More daylight.
Everybody else.
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If Tiger had to play with the same old inconsistent MacGregor ball that Nicklaus played with, he would have never found it.
I played golf in the 1960's. The courses have been made tougher because the equipment and agronomy is so much better. The greens are like pool tables compared to then. The fairways are plush, all the same type of grass, and cut much lower, giving much more consistent lies. The traps back then had sand, sometimes thin and dirt like, not like the beaches at Destin, like today.

I saw Nicklaus play in person when he was in his 20's. Believe me, if Nicklaus had needed to step up his game to challenge Tiger , he would have done it. Championship golf is played on a 6 inch wide course between your ears. Just like the qb controversy here, you cannot compare eras in any sport.

I personally think that golf is much easier today than it was in Jack's prime. If not, explain to me how I can still hit the ball as far as I did 40 years ago, and still shoot around par at age 64. The old balata balls, being hit by small persimmon woods, went absolutely sideways compared to today's. Tiger would have had to change his game to compete.
 
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Golf isn't easier today. It is more studied. More experts than ever. Better coaching. Better techniques being enployed. You probably would have been hitting the ball farther 40 years ago if your skills were what they are today.
 
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PimpVol said:
Golf isn't easier today. It is more studied. More experts than ever. Better coaching. Better techniques being enployed. You probably would have been hitting the ball farther 40 years ago if your skills were what they are today.
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Laughable. Everything in golf is advanced. The ball is lightyears better, the clubs are profoundly better and better course management has made the courses easier to score on if you play it right. The reason the courses are designed with narrower fairways, faster greens, thicker rough is because everything else has improved so dramatically.

Also, on a different note. I can't help but laugh at those that pretend Marvin Harrison is a scrub without Peyton.
 
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How is it laughable to think that if he was at his physical prime (40 years ago) that he couldn't have hit the ball farther back then if he had everything available to him then as he does now? He was younger and stronger then. He would seemingly be able to hit the ball better when he was younger & more powerful (40 years ago) if all the other factors are equal.
 
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The greatest I've ever seen? Elway and then Peyton and Montana.

Elway didn't have Montana's efficiency, but he was the most talented and physically gifted QB I've ever watched play the game on much inferior teams. He carried the Broncos for a decade, and then when he was finally surrounded with talent, they won back to back SBs at near 40 YO.
 
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perico said:
The greatest I've ever seen? Elway and then Peyton and Montana.

Elway didn't have Montana's efficiency, but he was the most talented and physically gifted QB I've ever watched play the game on much inferior teams. He carried the Broncos for a decade, and then when he was finally surrounded with talent, they won back to back SBs at near 40 YO.
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Yeah. He doesn't have the numbers others have, but to actually see him play, Elway always looked like the greatest of all time to me. Talk about putting the team on your back. For most of his career he had absolutely no one around him.
 
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volfanbill said:
Laughable. Everything in golf is advanced. The ball is lightyears better, the clubs are profoundly better and better course management has made the courses easier to score on if you play it right. The reason the courses are designed with narrower fairways, faster greens, thicker rough is because everything else has improved so dramatically.

Also, on a different note. I can't help but laugh at those that pretend Marvin Harrison is a scrub without Peyton.
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Big difference between SCRUB and ALL WORLD PHENOM WHO SHOULD HAVE SKIPPED THE MIDDLEMAN AND THROWN TO HIMSELF...Marvin Harrison was a first round draft pick who worked hard and ran precise routes, and he would have achieved productive stats with any quality signalcaller...but single season reception records that earmarked him for future HOF induction?...Manning should be his presenter at the ceremony but from all accounts Marvin doesn't communicate with Peyton....before I forget...anyone remember that Vick interview the year before THE DOGS happened? He swore that if he had Marvin that he would be setting passing records....because he was stuck with SPARES like Roddy White...yeah that scrub...Peyton's good Bill...quit fighting it. :cray:
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Tennkook said:
No ring, no top five. Sorry Marino. Although I thought he was great (caught the tail end of his career). Most people would not give you a look without the ring.
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Are rings the true measure of QB greatness? Bradshaw has 4...was he truly a better QB than Marino???? Silly...Even Peyton himself says that he has GREAT admiration and respect for Marino as one of the best QBs...
 
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crusse10 said:
Gunslingers throw interceptions, but they also throw highlights. He's 4th on the list of game-winning drives.

Also leader in TDs and yards.

Oh, and Peyton had a hall-of-famer catching passes for almost his entire career. Favre never had that. Peyton also had a killer O-Line, while Favre is the all-time leader in getting sacked.

(Favre was sacked 255 more times than Peyton. In my opinion, that shows just how incredible his streak of starts is)
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Tells me that Vicodin is a pretty good pain killer.
 
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kyvol98 said:
Tells me that Vicodin is a pretty good pain killer.
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Especially if you're not a sissy...you know...stick to the prescribed amount like a girl? :kiss:
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