Tracking Saban's Replacement Thread

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hUTch2002 said:
I don’t think it sucks at all. He’s a good coach but I believe Penix drove that success these last couple of years.
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Yeah but he was good at Fresno too. With the stocked roster at Bama (yes I know there’s transfers) I don’t think next years game will be a walk in the park.
 
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LWSVOL said:
for 40 years, my motto has been far more coaching hires are failures than successes. I predicted in 2000 that once Fulmer retired or was fired Tennessee would struggle to find a winner.
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True, and it's especially hard, if not impossible, to think of a single successful coach who immediately followed a long time winning coach, never mind an iconic legend in a place accustomed to competing annually for championships.

I think DeBoer is about as good a choice as they could have made, but it's entirely possible (and probable with the tougher schedules) that Bama falls off a bit, to the 9-10 win level on average. The problem is that if they miss a playoff or two, that fan base will completely melt down. It'll be very interesting to watch.
 
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This is the best hire Bama could have made. This guy has won everywhere he's been. Ughhhh.
 
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Matt2496 said:
This is the best hire Bama could have made. This guy has won everywhere he's been. Ughhhh.
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It’s really not. He’s done well at NAIA, good at Fresno, and sure great at Washington, but he’s never been anywhere long enough to truly supplant a legacy. And recruiting is dismal. Can’t win in the SEC with that recruiting record.
 
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Checker_the_Shire said:
It’s really not. He’s done well at NAIA, good at Fresno, and sure great at Washington, but he’s never been anywhere long enough to truly supplant a legacy. And recruiting is dismal. Can’t win in the SEC with that recruiting record.
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He's going to have access to orders of magnitude more resources at Bama for recruiting and it'll be a much easier sell to convince recruits to come play for Bama than Washington. He beat Oregon twice with an inferior roster. The man is a great coach. All I hope is that there are growing pains transitioning to the SEC.
 
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Checker_the_Shire said:
It’s really not. He’s done well at NAIA, good at Fresno, and sure great at Washington, but he’s never been anywhere long enough to truly supplant a legacy. And recruiting is dismal. Can’t win in the SEC with that recruiting record.
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Seriously, who is out there that is a sure fire bet to be able to follow a legend at the level of Saban, who is a freaking icon? I'm not sure that person exists - possibly someone like Harbaugh, but who else? Sark might be, but what has he really done as a HC that DeBoer hasn't except spend a couple of years as an assistant at Bama, which is a long way from the big chair.
 
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willinhf said:
That is my thought as well...I mean, Saban still having an office there? Who is the true head coach? Can Saban keep his nose out of the program? Will there be too many cooks in the kitchen?
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I can't imagine that Saban will do any more than offer his assistance in the transition and then any help needed thereafter. The man is not a fool, he has too much respect for the program and other coaches to be sticking his nose in when he isn't asked.
 
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He is the hot new name in coaching because he made the playoffs. Just like TCU did last year. See what I’m getting at.

The SEC is a different animal. He doesn’t know what he’s in for yet. The pressure is gonna be insane there as well.
 
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Checker_the_Shire said:
It’s really not. He’s done well at NAIA, good at Fresno, and sure great at Washington, but he’s never been anywhere long enough to truly supplant a legacy. And recruiting is dismal. Can’t win in the SEC with that recruiting record.
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If he struggles next year and December signing class may not be good enough to survive. if he misses CFP 12….that is 12 not 4 then does not have Top 3 signing class, the little “a” will meltdown.
 
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2EastTnVols said:
The mystique is gone, and rival sec schools will use the departure of Saban to successfully recruit against bama. Deboer doesn't set the world on fire recruiting anyway. Kiffin would have absolutely killed it there.
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I really am surprised that Alabama wouldn't give Kiffin an opportunity. It's tough to follow a legend, but Kiffin has ties to Alabama and has certainly done exceedingly well with Ole Miss up to and including capitalizing on the new portal/NIL reality so he'll either hit the ground running or keep things afloat for a new heir in 3/4/5 years. Administration needs to get over it (he's, seemingly, matured extensively over the years) and if boosters are saying no then 'Bama brass needs to evaluate how much their money means if it comes at the expense of football prominence.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
If he struggles next year and December signing class may not be good enough to survive. if he misses CFP 12….that is 12 not 4 then does not have Top 3 signing class, the little “a” will meltdown.
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He’ll have success Year 1 and maybe 2 with the foundation Saban has given him. But long term, I just don’t see him having success. And no, not Saban success, I mean general SEC success that SEC programs expect, especially the ones of Bama caliber.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I really am surprised that Alabama wouldn't give Kiffin an opportunity. It's tough to follow a legend, but Kiffin has ties to Alabama and has certainly done exceedingly well with Ole Miss up to and including capitalizing on the new portal/NIL reality so he'll either hit the ground running or keep things afloat for a new heir in 3/4/5 years. Administration needs to get over it (he's, seemingly, matured extensively over the years) and if boosters are saying no then 'Bama brass needs to evaluate how much their money means if it comes at the expense of football prominence.
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Not sure Florida will pass on Kiffin next year. You know with our curse vs UF that's exactly where he'll end up. Spurrier II.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I really am surprised that Alabama wouldn't give Kiffin an opportunity. It's tough to follow a legend, but Kiffin has ties to Alabama and has certainly done exceedingly well with Ole Miss up to and including capitalizing on the new portal/NIL reality so he'll either hit the ground running or keep things afloat for a new heir in 3/4/5 years. Administration needs to get over it (he's, seemingly, matured extensively over the years) and if boosters are saying no then 'Bama brass needs to evaluate how much their money means if it comes at the expense of football prominence.
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Yeah Kiffin has sec cred, can recruit, and has a brilliant offensive mind. He would have taken over and brought with him some elite talent and undoubtedly an elite transfer qb. The lack of a great qb likely kept sabans final team out of the championship game.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
I really am surprised that Alabama wouldn't give Kiffin an opportunity. It's tough to follow a legend, but Kiffin has ties to Alabama and has certainly done exceedingly well with Ole Miss up to and including capitalizing on the new portal/NIL reality so he'll either hit the ground running or keep things afloat for a new heir in 3/4/5 years. Administration needs to get over it (he's, seemingly, matured extensively over the years) and if boosters are saying no then 'Bama brass needs to evaluate how much their money means if it comes at the expense of football prominence.
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Kiffin also knows what it is like to play in Neyland. Their lost and maybe down the road our gain.
 
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Not sure what kind of guy Deboer is, but it will be interesting to see how he handles the scrutiny and the BS. I hope its oil and water.
 
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