Transfer Portal 22-23

[Memvol44]

So tell me who u can have to get a bucket when needed besides Rickea, and I’m talking about big games not games against inferior competition?

Key...

 

[LV renaissance]

Key...

And it seems people are not giving Destinee enough credit. She is a tremendous shooter that can do it a variety of ways. As much as I have defended Walker here, Destinee's offense is a huge upgrade and will help break defenses down due to the unpredictability of who will be the scorer. Her ability to be 40%+ from the 3-point range and also be able to drive and penetrate has the potential to transform our offense. I know that she might not be as effective in the SEC. However, we don't need her to do near the numbers she had at Belmont and still be an offensive threat that will have to be taken seriously by defenses.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Key...

She hasn’t done that in her whole career, she’s not really a scoring threat, maybe in those games against inferior competition but I’m talking and the big games.

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

She hasn’t done that in her whole career, she’s not really a scoring threat, maybe in those games against inferior competition but I’m talking and the big games.

You are correct Key hasn’t been a scoring threat.we have great and loyal fans that always want to be positive but the bottom line is this team as it stands now doesn’t have enough scoring to beat good teams and we surely not good on defense even with Key back.there is nothing wrong with optimism but there is nothing wrong for seeing things the way they are either

 

[DarkPhoenix]

You are correct Key hasn’t been a scoring threat.we have great and loyal fans that always want to be positive but the bottom line is this team as it stands now doesn’t have enough scoring to beat good teams and we surely not good on defense even with Key back.there is nothing wrong with optimism but there is nothing wrong for seeing things the way they are either

Thank u, the thing about the people on here that think this is a final four roster, are the people that will blame the coach when the players don’t produce, a coach can only do so much with the talent given. I will say if the coach can’t get the talent needed for a championship roster, the. Maybe it’s fine to go.

 

[Volfan2012]

She hasn’t done that in her whole career, she’s not really a scoring threat, maybe in those games against inferior competition but I’m talking and the big games.

I don't know about who scores what, but we averaged 76.4 points per game last season and Rickea averaged 19.2 so somebody else on the team accounted for 57 ppg so somebody else had to play excellent basketball. We had several players with good scoring efficiency, but didn't take many shots. Most of the shots went to Jackson and Horston so we'll see who gets Horton's 17 shots per game this season. I'm thinking that Wells, Key, Striplin, Puckett, and Hollingshead are going to have a lot bigger share of the offense. I think we will average close to 80 points per game because the efficiency of those five players is much higher than Horston and Walker who went for almost 700 shot attempts. If they manage the same efficiency as they did last year on the shots they took the additional 700 shot attempts will mean a lot more points than what the shots Horston and Walker took accounted for.
The offense is not my worry. It wasn't that much of a worry last season except some players shot more than they should and didn't distribute as much as they could've. Like last year I'll be worried about the defense and rebounding. If we don't get anyone else those are the areas where were going to suffer the most. It is the most important part of limiting a teams from scoring they get one shot and you rebound it or your able to crash the boards for an offensive put back. Guarding players off the dribble may be a little better will have to see how that looks we could use another defender out there and an inside player that can rebound.
Because we were scoring in the seventies in a lot of games,. but giving up over eighty. You should win when you score in the seventies most of the time and we lost several when we scored that many.

So my big question for this team is will Key be able to play like she played before because her defense is outstanding. Will we be able to get another strong rebounder and perimeter defender. These are the things that worry me much more than our ability to score, because if we could've defended teams, out rebounded teams, and won the turnover battle that 12 losses goes down to four or five.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I don't know about who scores what, but we averaged 76.4 points per game last season and Rickea averaged 19.2 so somebody else on the team accounted for 57 ppg so somebody else had to play excellent basketball. We had several players with good scoring efficiency, but didn't take many shots. Most of the shots went to Jackson and Horston so we'll see who gets Horton's 17 shots per game this season. I'm thinking that Wells, Key, Striplin, Puckett, and Hollingshead are going to have a lot bigger share of the offense. I think we will average close to 80 points per game because the efficiency of those five players is much higher than Horston and Walker who went for almost 700 shot attempts. If they manage the same efficiency as they did last year on the shots they took the additional 700 shot attempts will mean a lot more points than what the shots Horston and Walker took accounted for.
The offense is not my worry. It wasn't that much of a worry last season except some players shot more than they should and didn't distribute as much as they could've. Like last year I'll be worried about the defense and rebounding. If we don't get anyone else those are the areas where were going to suffer the most. It is the most important part of limiting a teams from scoring they get one shot and you rebound it or your able to crash the boards for an offensive put back. Guarding players off the dribble may be a little better will have to see how that looks we could use another defender out there and an inside player that can rebound.
Because we were scoring in the seventies in a lot of games,. but giving up over eighty. You should win when you score in the seventies most of the time and we lost several when we scored that many.

So my big question for this team is will Key be able to play like she played before because her defense is outstanding. Will we be able to get another strong rebounder and perimeter defender. These are the things that worry me much more than our ability to score, because if we could've defended teams, out rebounded teams, and won the turnover battle that 12 losses goes down to four or five.

The reason we loss most of those games is because of the scoring droughts we went through, we had quarter where we scored between 9-12 points.
Rickea needs to take 20 shots minimum in my opinion, she’s the best player and the player I trust the most. We might score around 80 against inferior teams but we won’t be scoring that against the good teams and that’s the problem, we have one elite scorer and that’s it “ In My Opinion “.

We couldn’t guard players off the dribble because outside of Rickea and Horston of the players that played big minutes, everyone else is slow and not athletic enough, and we still have the same problems with the current roster unless it changes. If we have an easy schedule at the start of the season, everyone will overreact to the talent, and then when we struggle for wins against elite teams then people will blame the coach instead of looking at the roster. I called it last season and I was right, I said the roster was flawed and we didn’t have enough, and I was right. So I’m saying it again, except things will be worse this year because the roster is even worse and everyone else is getting better while we have feel good stories.

 

[Mr.Pivot]

Even with the addition of those two players, South Carolina is still a 3rd place team in the SEC this upcoming season. Mark this post and mark my words. Unfortunately, Kim Mulkey is going to do to the SEC what she did to the Big 12 and she did it very quickly. If she gets Van Lith with this incoming freshman class and their returners, it's over

If SC lands Morrow and Pao Pao they will be title favorites neck and neck with UConn make no mistake about that. They would have the best PG, Center, and one of the best shooter and forwards in the SEC. Mulkey is an outstanding coach but SC would definitely be favorites adding two talents like those. Their returning talent and incoming freshmen are already outstanding. Everyone else may fall back from LSU but SC IMO will be right there.

 

[Volfan2012]

The reason we loss most of those games is because of the scoring droughts we went through, we had quarter where we scored between 9-12 points.
Rickea needs to take 20 shots minimum in my opinion, she’s the best player and the player I trust the most. We might score around 80 against inferior teams but we won’t be scoring that against the good teams and that’s the problem, we have one elite scorer and that’s it “ In My Opinion “.

We couldn’t guard players off the dribble because outside of Rickea and Horston of the players that played big minutes, everyone else is slow and not athletic enough, and we still have the same problems with the current roster unless it changes. If we have an easy schedule at the start of the season, everyone will overreact to the talent, and then when we struggle for wins against elite teams then people will blame the coach instead of looking at the roster. I called it last season and I was right, I said the roster was flawed and we didn’t have enough, and I was right. So I’m saying it again, except things will be worse this year because the roster is even worse and everyone else is getting better while we have feel good stories.

The roster is the same other than Horston and Walker and Franklin. Anyone else that left did not play. Plus we've added two players that can score as much as the ones that are leaving. Yes the roster was somewhat flawed not enough defense and rebounding. We scored enough to win several more games. If we add more rebounding and one top defender we will be fine. We were not going to be as talented overall as SC and LSU no matter who we added because they both had top high school recruiting classes. I'm looking for us to be a lot better than last season will know more when I see the final roster.

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

I don't know about who scores what, but we averaged 76.4 points per game last season and Rickea averaged 19.2 so somebody else on the team accounted for 57 ppg so somebody else had to play excellent basketball. We had several players with good scoring efficiency, but didn't take many shots. Most of the shots went to Jackson and Horston so we'll see who gets Horton's 17 shots per game this season. I'm thinking that Wells, Key, Striplin, Puckett, and Hollingshead are going to have a lot bigger share of the offense. I think we will average close to 80 points per game because the efficiency of those five players is much higher than Horston and Walker who went for almost 700 shot attempts. If they manage the same efficiency as they did last year on the shots they took the additional 700 shot attempts will mean a lot more points than what the shots Horston and Walker took accounted for.
The offense is not my worry. It wasn't that much of a worry last season except some players shot more than they should and didn't distribute as much as they could've. Like last year I'll be worried about the defense and rebounding. If we don't get anyone else those are the areas where were going to suffer the most. It is the most important part of limiting a teams from scoring they get one shot and you rebound it or your able to crash the boards for an offensive put back. Guarding players off the dribble may be a little better will have to see how that looks we could use another defender out there and an inside player that can rebound.
Because we were scoring in the seventies in a lot of games,. but giving up over eighty. You should win when you score in the seventies most of the time and we lost several when we scored that many.

So my big question for this team is will Key be able to play like she played before because her defense is outstanding. Will we be able to get another strong rebounder and perimeter defender. These are the things that worry me much more than our ability to score, because if we could've defended teams, out rebounded teams, and won the turnover battle that 12 losses goes down to four or five.

That 76 avg stat is misleading like I said go back and look at the schedule look at those losses against the good teams and you will not see 76 points.they are in the 60s as an avg

 

[Dak1219]

That 76 avg stat is misleading like I said go back and look at the schedule look at those losses against the good teams and you will not see 76 points.they are in the 60s as an avg

Then I would assume you are saying both LSU and South Carolina's 84 points per game are very misleading too? Neither played as strong of strength of schedule as Tennessee.

 

[Volfan2012]

That 76 avg stat is misleading like I said go back and look at the schedule look at those losses against the good teams and you will not see 76 points.they are in the 60s as an avg

That is because we got dominated on the boards and turned it over ten times more than the opponent. As far as shots on goal to points scored we were fine in almost every game. When you allow a team to get ten to fifteen shots more than you do and you have so many empty possessions then yes you get a score in the 60's. So the problem still was more our ability to rebound and take care of the ball. Of course not every game was like that we had some bad shooting nights, but a lot were like this game.

Tennessee 68-76 LSU (Jan 30, 2023) Box Score - ESPN versus LSU we turned it over 22 times to their 14 and they won the boards by seven this resulted in their eight point win. The shooting was equal 41 per team.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

The roster is the same other than Horston and Walker and Franklin. Anyone else that left did not play. Plus we've added two players that can score as much as the ones that are leaving. Yes the roster was somewhat flawed not enough defense and rebounding. We scored enough to win several more games. If we add more rebounding and one top defender we will be fine. We were not going to be as talented overall as SC and LSU no matter who we added because they both had top high school recruiting classes. I'm looking for us to be a lot better than last season will know more when I see the final roster.

We still haven’t addressed the loss of Horston, I don’t think rebounding will be the problem, it will be the scoring droughts when Rickea is on the bench or when they double her, maybe Jillian can make a leap and give us more because I know she has the talent. If we would be able to get Jefferson and Padilla I would have liked our chances against Lsu and Sc, that would have given us one of the best starting 5’s in the country. I don’t think we are as good as last season and I think we will barley make the tournament and maybe win one game, but all that changes if we can get more help from what’s left in the portal.

 

[th2421]

She hasn’t done that in her whole career, she’s not really a scoring threat, maybe in those games against inferior competition but I’m talking and the big games.

Tamari against ranked opponents in her last fully healthy season (2021-22):

• USF: 10 points, 10 boards, 6 blocks
• Texas: 10 points, 18 boards, 10 blocks
• Stanford: 1 point, 5 boards, 2 blocks
• TAMU: 9 points, 6 boards, 11 blocks
• Kentucky: 6 points, 6 boards, 1 block
• Georgia: 8 points, 4 boards, 5 blocks
• UConn: 8 points, 3 boards, 1 block
• South Carolina: 10 points, 7 boards, 10 blocks
• LSU: 12 points, 9 boards, 3 blocks
• Louisville: 3 points, 10 boards, 1 block

That's 7.7 points, 8.1 boards, 5.0 blocks. So I think you're kind of right, her scoring is a little down vs. top 25 opponents (vs. 10.5 for the season), rebounding is exactly on par, and her blocks are actually higher (vs. 3.5). Note the above doesn't include her 11 points, 12 boards, and 5 blocks against Virginia Tech on the road, who was unranked at the time.

Her freshman year she averaged 5.0 points against ranked teams, and her sophomore year she averaged 7.4. She only got to play against 3 ranked opponents this past season, and even with blood clots in her lungs she was averaging 11.0 points per game against the top 25.

While I think we're aligned that we could still use another dependable scorer (especially assuming Key won't be 100% to begin the season), I don't know that I agree that she's not really a scoring threat. She's shown she can do it, and she makes defenses have to choose whether to play her one-on-one or crowd her and risk leaving players like Darby and Wells open for better looks.

 

[Volfan2012]

We still haven’t addressed the loss of Horston, I don’t think rebounding will be the problem, it will be the scoring droughts when Rickea is on the bench or when they double her, maybe Jillian can make a leap and give us more because I know she has the talent. If we would be able to get Jefferson and Padilla I would have liked our chances against Lsu and Sc, that would have given us one of the best starting 5’s in the country. I don’t think we are as good as last season and I think we will barley make the tournament and maybe win one game, but all that changes if we can get more help from what’s left in the portal.

Horston is exactly why rebounding will be the problem. That to me was the best part of her game. She was certainly huge in a lot of games and not so good in a few othersdue to turnovers. I think we added more efficient scoring more points scored on the same amount of shots. Both Walker and Jordan had very low scoring efficiency ratings. Wells has a very high efficiency rating have to see if it holds next season. I'm looking at maybe five or more less turnovers a game. I am hoping that Coach Kellie will hold true to her last media interview that we are going to add more rebounding.

 

[Volfan2012]

I have the numbers right here for scoring by the three top teams in the SEC.

LSU 2345 shots taken for 2963 points or 1.26 points per shot attempt.

South Carolina 2425 shots for 2972 points and a 1.23 per shot attempt.

Tennessee 2360 shot attempts for 2852 points or 1.20 points per shot attempt.

Then you add we played the number one hardest schedule in the nation and you can see our offense was comparable to both of those teams. When you get into turnovers and rebounding that is a totally different story.

 

[Volfan2012]

Tamari against ranked opponents in her last fully healthy season (2021-22):

• USF: 10 points, 10 boards, 6 blocks
• Texas: 10 points, 18 boards, 10 blocks
• Stanford: 1 point, 5 boards, 2 blocks
• TAMU: 9 points, 6 boards, 11 blocks
• Kentucky: 6 points, 6 boards, 1 block
• Georgia: 8 points, 4 boards, 5 blocks
• UConn: 8 points, 3 boards, 1 block
• South Carolina: 10 points, 7 boards, 10 blocks
• LSU: 12 points, 9 boards, 3 blocks
• Louisville: 3 points, 10 boards, 1 block

That's 7.7 points, 8.1 boards, 5.0 blocks. So I think you're kind of right, her scoring is a little down vs. top 25 opponents (vs. 10.5 for the season), rebounding is exactly on par, and her blocks are actually higher (vs. 3.5). Note the above doesn't include her 11 points, 12 boards, and 5 blocks against Virginia Tech on the road, who was unranked at the time.

Her freshman year she averaged 5.0 points against ranked teams, and her sophomore year she averaged 7.4. She only got to play against 3 ranked opponents this past season, and even with blood clots in her lungs she was averaging 11.0 points per game against the top 25.

While I think we're aligned that we could still use another dependable scorer (especially assuming Key won't be 100% to begin the season), I don't know that I agree that she's not really a scoring threat. She's shown she can do it, and she makes defenses have to choose whether to play her one-on-one or crowd her and risk leaving players like Darby and Wells open for better looks.

Her scoring efficiency was the highest on the team. She never took any shots around five or six was her average per game. I think that goes up finally this season have to wait and see if that is true. I think both point guards will try to get her the ball more than the ones we had this past season.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Her scoring efficiency was the highest on the team. She never took any shots around five or six was her average per game. I think that goes up finally this season have to wait and see if that is true. I think both point guards will try to get her the ball more than the ones we had this past season.

I hate to bring up the negatives, but how many times she missed easy layups, how many times she could t catch a pass or had the ball snatched out of her hands by small guards?

 

[Volfan2012]

I hate to bring up the negatives, but how many times she missed easy layups, how many times she could t catch a pass or had the ball snatched out of her hands by small guards?

You can bring that up on any player. I saw Reese miss about seven layups in a game a couple times this season. Key had a 1.67 efficiency rating higher than any player on the team last year and this year. So she was making a lot more than she missed.

 

[Voluble2]

Her scoring efficiency was the highest on the team. She never took any shots around five or six was her average per game. I think that goes up finally this season have to wait and see if that is true. I think both point guards will try to get her the ball more than the ones we had this past season.

One big problem she has suffered from is having poor hands. The ball gets taken away from her a lot because she can't secure the entry pass. She compounds this by bringing the ball down too much when she does manage to hang on to it. All of that is a major reason she does not score more.

She also isn't all that flexible, so the bounce passes are difficult for her. I was looking forward to seeing what Justine could do to get her the ball since she was the only one on the team with a decent entry pass for the post. Short guards have trouble seeing and throwing over taller players, and Key has trouble with low entry passes so it is a bad combination. She did best when Horston was getting the ball to her high.

Also, people keep saying if we get this player or that one then our starting five will be as good as anyone, but they forget Kellie won't play them together enough for it to matter even if we got those players.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

One big problem she has suffered from is having poor hands. The ball gets taken away from her a lot because she can't secure the entry pass. She compounds this by bringing the ball down too much when she does manage to hang on to it. All of that is a major reason she does not score more.

She also isn't all that flexible, so the bounce passes are difficult for her. I was looking forward to seeing what Justine could do to get her the ball since she was the only one on the team with a decent entry pass for the post. Short guards have trouble seeing and throwing over taller players, and Key has trouble with low entry passes so it is a bad combination. She did best when Horston was getting the ball to her high.

Also, people keep saying if we get this player or that one then our starting five will be as good as anyone, but they forget Kellie won't play them together enough for it to matter even if we got those players.

Thanks, u explained it better than I did.

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

Then I would assume you are saying both LSU and South Carolina's 84 points per game are very misleading too? Neither played as strong of strength of schedule as Tennessee.[/QUOTE
Your mistake is bringing up other schools to make a point.their schedule is their schedule.what if it is misleading what that got to do with the LVs situation.absolutely nothing

 

[Dak1219]

Not really considering LSU average about 105 points a game during their first 13 games against nobody's. A pretty big topic here on this platform.

 

[turbovol]

Key...

Ha: Key has never been a go-to player. If she's got good low-post position no more than 5 feet from the basket,
yea, throw it to her. Otherwise, no.

 

[LUVMESUMVOL]

Not really considering LSU average about 105 points a game during their first 13 games against nobody's. A pretty big topic here on this platform.

It can be a big topic and we can talk about it but again it has nothing to do with our team performance that’s all I’m saying it’s a separate discussion