Transfer Portal Thread

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golfballs said:
Im not sure what you think I have backwards based on this response. The NCAA isn’t some independently corrupt organization. They represent all of their member schools. So it’s the colleges and their administrators who are responsible here.

Also there is nothing nonsense about amateurism. The vast majority of competition the NCAA governs is certainly amateur. The conflict is how they manage non-power 5/non-revenue sports with the power-5/revenue under the same umbrella. The current model is unsustainable. However I think much of the problem is caused by the NBA and NFL. And so the outrage over the NCAA is misplaced. The NFL wants a free farm system and THEY are the ones who make rules which basically force kids to play in college where they won’t be paid. Th NBA is now providing a different route so kudos to them. Now any kid who goes to college to play does so willingly and agrees to the rules. The NFL should follow suit. Either pay for the NCAA to be their farm system or they need to open one for their own.
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Because your response made it out like the NCAA (and by extension their member colleges) wants this to happen because they will profit more from it and I fundamentally disagree.

They don’t want this but they see the writing is on the wall.

College athletes should be allowed to sign endorsement deals or profit off their own likeness, do appearances, sign Merch etc...

I think the courts will ultimately agree with that. Can colleges be cut in to that and take a fee for platforming them? Probably fair.

Paying players etc.. is a whole other issue. But let John Fulkerson be the Pal’s spokesperson for crying out loud.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Because your response made it out like the NCAA (and by extension their member colleges) wants this to happen because they will profit more from it and I fundamentally disagree.

They don’t want this but they see the writing is on the wall.

College athletes should be allowed to sign endorsement deals or profit off their own likeness, do appearances, sign Merch etc...

I think the courts will ultimately agree with that. Can colleges be cut in to that and take a fee for platforming them? Probably fair.

Paying players etc.. is a whole other issue. But let John Fulkerson be the Pal’s spokesperson for crying out loud.
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Maybe we’re talking about different things. My initial post was about the transfer rule. Most coaches won’t like it, but I think colleges see this as one way to placate players in hopes they will continue to keep going with the status quo - which is currently a system that nets them boatloads of money.

My second point was about amateurism; which is being challenged today. The NCAA still maintains rules that are generally in keeping with the traditional definition of amateurism. (The fact they don’t enforce them evenly is a slightly different issue). Athletes agree to those rules and they compete. If they don’t want to then they don’t have to play college Athletics.

The big problem today is that there aren’t any realistic alternatives for most of these athletes who could make money, but that’s not the NCAA’s fault. The NBA can allow kids to sign out of high school and develop them in a farm system (which they seem to be trying to) and certainly the same for the NFL.

The reality though is that colleges will stand to lose massively if it were to come to that. So they might begrudgingly do it, but they will certainly lean the way of professionalization. At which point they just need to pick a side. Either maintain amateurism or don’t. And because of the vast number of colleges and sports they govern and the disparity between them it will be hard to govern them under the same umbrella. Will be interesting to see how it pans out, but I’m a fan of amateur sports. There’s plenty of professional sports I can watch but I like to root for my alma mater.
 
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omghulkhands said:
You’ve got it backwards. College administrations have kept this monopoly going a long time and they are finally getting squeezed from a legal perspective and they know they have no recourse or leg to stand on.

It’s looking like even our conservative Supreme Court is going to rule against their amateurism nonsense.
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From a legal, maybe even moral perspective, it may be non-sense; however, I think college sports will likely never be the same. I for one do not like the idea of this whole musical chairs thing.

Sure, it makes for a long recruiting season, which is fun, but I never liked cheering for mercenaries. That is why I like college ball, and seldom watch the pros. That may be about to change.
 
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5. Related to #4, you’ve said they’d take the right 4...obviously other names will come up but as things currently stand do you think they’d take Key (if he entered), Powell, Gardern and Wahab? Would that classify as right 4?
I don’t think those four are realistic. They’d take key, don’t think they’re interested in the ECU kid based off convo this morning
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-Rob Lewis
 
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i2amavol said:
From a legal, maybe even moral perspective, it may be non-sense; however, I think college sports will likely never be the same. I for one do not like the idea of this whole musical chairs thing.

Sure, it makes for a long recruiting season, which is fun, but I never liked cheering for mercenaries. That is why I like college ball, and seldom watch the pros. That may be about to change.
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College sports is and has already changed drastically. The NCAA was established before there was as much money as there is now in professional sports. And as pro sports became bigger and bigger, colleges have been the big beneficiaries of being a defecto farm system without having to pay any of the players. And it’s nearing a breaking point. The system is too much to unwind at this point and colleges stand too much to lose, so I think it’s inevitable that it will continue down the path of legitimate professionalization
 
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Volfanatic_20 said:
5. Related to #4, you’ve said they’d take the right 4...obviously other names will come up but as things currently stand do you think they’d take Key (if he entered), Powell, Gardern and Wahab? Would that classify as right 4?

-Rob Lewis
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That's interesting because it's definitely seemed like UT has been interested in Gardner based off all the chatter the last few days.

But nothing has been said officially, so I guess it was just speculation. Personally, I like the kid, but I think we need to address other areas that he doesn't necessarily help right now.
 
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Volfanatic_20 said:
5. Related to #4, you’ve said they’d take the right 4...obviously other names will come up but as things currently stand do you think they’d take Key (if he entered), Powell, Gardern and Wahab? Would that classify as right 4?

-Rob Lewis
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I’m fine w either of the big men so if it’s not Gardner hopefully they get Wahab
 
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#712
bleedingTNorange said:
Removed Gardner as VQ stated after some talks Tennessee is backing off, said that height was a concern.


Guards:
Justin Powell College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Tyreke Key College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Posts:
Qudus Wahab College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Noah Gurley College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

John Harrar College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Dallas Walton College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com
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Powell and Wahab would be my preference. If Key enters the portal, I guess UT will take him, but he doesn't move the needle for me, but what do I know. Still holding out hope that Walker stays
 
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Seems like our list is shrinking and Powell and Wahab are far from sure things. Is there a chance that we actually land zero transfers?
 
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HippieVol33 said:
I’d say the chances of us taking zero are about zero %
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Yeah I would assume so. I’m just speaking to the fact VQ said we are not going to just take a guy to take a guy and we were mentioned a lot with Gardner the past few days. If Powell and Wahab go elsewhere, I’m curious where else we go.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Adapt or die, Jim. For better or worse, we’re entering a new era of college basketball. Looks like there will be two fronts to recruit on now, high school and the portal.

It seems this is partially why Roy retired. The old guard is going to not like this and I wouldn’t be surprised to see more of them retire in the next 1-2 years.
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Run a good program and treat your players right then you won’t have to worry about losing players to the portal unless they are down the bench and are looking for PT elsewhere
 
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