Transgender athlete wants to burn the us flag

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utvolpj said:
But I'm constant told that kneeling for the anthem does exactly that. This is very similar right?
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You're changing the conversation. The athlete in question isn't talking about kneeling. They're talking about burning the flag.
 
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Weezer said:
You're changing the conversation. The athlete in question isn't talking about kneeling. They're talking about burning the flag.
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No, you said "dishonoring the nation" which is the same language used for other silent protests.

No one will burn a flag on the medal stand anyways. This person is barely an alternate
 
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utvolpj said:
No, you said "dishonoring the nation" BY BURNING THE FLAG AT THE OLYMPICS IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE PLANET which is the same language used for other silent protests.

No one will burn a flag on the medal stand anyways. This person is barely an alternate
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Newsflash, we all speak English, so we all use the same language. That's an irrelvant point to make. Burning your nation's flag at a world event of competing nations isn't the same as a bench warming qb kneeling for the national anthem. It just isn't.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Newsflash, we all speak English, so we all use the same language. That's an irrelvant point to make. Burning your nation's flag at a world event of competing nations isn't the same as a bench warming qb kneeling for the national anthem. It just isn't.
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My point is the same language is being used to describe both
 
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utvolpj said:
No, you said "dishonoring the nation" which is the same language used for other silent protests.

No one will burn a flag on the medal stand anyways. This person is barely an alternate
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Ah, so you're generalizing, putting upon me something others have said. I'll be honest, I don't agree with the kneeling, mostly because I'm not a fan of political statements at sporting events, but I do agree they have the right to do it as long as their employers are okay with it. Let's not forget, when they kneel at a football game, they are not on their own time. They are at work. Most businesses would probably fire people for making political statements while on the clock, but the NFL is a different beast. As long as the team owners are okay with it, they have the right to it. But I maintain my right not to like it.
 
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One thing I find interesting is that "Chelsea" sounds more like a man by wanting to burn the flag and "explode" Trump's head. This sounds more like somebody with roid rage than somebody taking hormones to be more feminine.
 
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Weezer said:
Yes really, because I don't see what those men did as dissing the country. Holding your fist up is a far cry from burning the flag.
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Depends on the people's view. Both are symbols. And there was a ton of critique at the time against Smith and Carlos. They were banned from further Olympic activities and nearly the entire US track team too. Time magazine described the fists as "angrier, nastier, uglier" in juxtaposition of the Olympic motto of "faster, stronger, higher"

they raised their fists during the national anthem, as representatives of the US.

Seems like people are just responding the recentness and forgetting what was actually going on.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Good for you.

We have the largest prison population in the world and a large fraction of that is non violent drug offenders. "At least we aren't China." Is not consolation
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That is flat out untrue (and That is Not my quote)
China‘s ACTUAL prison population is many times ours. Just because they are in „re-education camps“ instead of prison buildings doesn’t mean that Chinese Muslims, Christians, and dissidents aren’t also part of the prison population. I am sure the Third Reich didn’t have a very large „official“ prison population either once you removed the Labour camps from the tally. Don’t be naive please.
I wonder if you also believe the official CCP count that their COVID deaths were under 5,000.
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah it was. Those guys did nothing disruptive and their protest was solemn and peaceful. Starting a fire on the medal stand is anything but peaceful.
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Not how it was viewed at the time. The fists were the most disruptive event during a medal ceremony according to some of the contemporary sources that covered the event.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
That is flat out untrue (and That is Not my quote)
China‘s ACTUAL prison population is many times ours. Just because they are in „re-education camps“ instead of prison buildings doesn’t mean that Chinese Muslims, Christians, and dissidents aren’t also part of the prison population. I am sure the Third Reich didn’t have a very large „official“ prison population either once you removed the Labour camps from the tally. Don’t be naive please
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So your argument is that we are not the worst, we are 2nd worst behind an authoritarian country with 4x our population? Wonderful!
 
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utvolpj said:
My point is the same language is being used to describe both
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If I said any one of these colors was "orange", I'd be using the same language to describe each of them, but they are OBVIOUSLY all different from eachother, right?

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n_huffhines said:
So your argument is that we are not the worst, we are 2nd worst behind an authoritarian country with 4x our population? Wonderful!
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No sir. My only argument was that you were making a false claim. Something you have yet to admit. Once you agree that you are in error, then we can proceed to the next phase of the discussion.
 
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LouderVol said:
Depends on the people's view. Both are symbols. And there was a ton of critique at the time against Smith and Carlos. They were banned from further Olympic activities and nearly the entire US track team too. Time magazine described the fists as "angrier, nastier, uglier" in juxtaposition of the Olympic motto of "faster, stronger, higher"

they raised their fists during the national anthem, as representatives of the US.

Seems like people are just responding the recentness and forgetting what was actually going on.
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They were banned by the IOC, not the USOC. The USOC initially fought it, but caved when the entire U.S. track team was threatened with suspension. But when they returned to the U.S., they faced a horrible backlash, including death threats, not only to themselves, but also their families. I still say it is not an apt comparison to burning the flag.
 
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LouderVol said:
Not how it was viewed at the time. The fists were the most disruptive event during a medal ceremony according to some of the contemporary sources that covered the event.
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So? The facts say it was peaceful, starting a fire on the medal podium is not. If it wants to take the flag and wipe it's ass with it on the stand fine, it can deal with sponsorship blowback.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
No sir. My only argument was that you were making a false claim. Something you have yet to admit. Once you agree that you are in error, then we can proceed to the next phase of the discussion.
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What I said is true and what you said is true. Neither is false. You are right if you count re-education camps, they beat us by about a 25% margin. Pretty sad that it's so slim when they have 4x the population. How about we look at incarceration rate? Got any deflections for that horrible reality?

Now, do you want to proceed with the conversation? Is this the part where you admit the US is an oppressive country?
 
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