Trump Deliberately Lied To Americans About Covid 19

[titansvolsfaninga]

Well, I mean he told the press exactly what he told Bob Woodward. So he lied to Bob Woodward too?

what ever he does, you will absolve him of wrong doing......that is called cultish behavior.

 

[05_never_again]

what ever he does, you will absolve him of wrong doing......that is called cultish behavior.

Absolutely not. I mean, Trump by his own admission played down the virus. He knew it was more serious than it was but said the opposite. It's not absolving him of anything.

What I also do quite often is critique the media, many elements of which present themselves as some kind of noble vanguard that speaks truth to power, but they are all full of s**t. Trump also critiques the media quite often on that basis, and you do what many on the left do which is if you agree with anything he says, then you must be in his cult. Many reflexively disagree with anything he says - that is cultish behavior too.

 

[volbeast33]

I agree, Herman Cain was an adult. He knew the risks. He had to sign a waiver for gods sake.

Herman Cain was a very intelligent man.... everyone on the page knew the risks when it happened.... I’m sure it wasn’t a surprise.... I know the risks as well.... my son is playing in a travel baseball tournament this weekend and I will also be going out to dinner with a large group for my birthday..... isn’t freedoms great?

 

[volbeast33]

@n_huffhines brings up an interesting angle, imo.

Do we (do I) get my information from government, elected leaders, and politicians?

I confess, I cannot remember anything I have altered about my habits or way of life because of information disseminated through government. And not just related to this pandemic; I am talking anytime. Maybe I would heed warnings about travelling to a hostile country if I were travelling internationally on a routine basis.

Not that I can think of..... I like to listen to the government, media sources, personal experiences and engaging else I can use to make decisions I feel are correct for my life.... Neither trump nor the science community has told me anything that I didnt know in December that I didn’t figure out on my own.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

That might be believable except there were better options than Trump 4yrs ago and you didn't pick them then.

Outside of Rand Paul, I can't think of any better options on the GOP, DNC or hell... even on the Libertarian Ticket with Gary Johnson...

 

[McDad]

Sounds like economic activity, to me. A run on everything on the TP level probably can't happen, right? People don't have enough disposable income to spread that across a large selection of goods. I can spend but I don't have enough freezer/fridge space to hoard.

I was unintentionally vague.

You're correct, not everyone can hoard everything. You've got a limited amount of space in your freezer. But you have a pickup truck, 2 other cars, and several gas cans. You make a run on gas. I make a run on food. Louder makes a run on hand lotion and bubble bath.

Panic is deadly, too. In my hypothetical, the pandemic will kill, economic collapse will kill, and panic in the streets will kill.

Eventually secondary [black] markets will be established and people will gouge the hot items and barter the others. Those months it takes to establish the secondary markets will not be fun.

 

[GVF]

That's too reasonable. You are showing too much free will and self responsibility.

That's why I don't have the Tiger King as my avatar.

 

[BeecherVol]

I was unintentionally vague.

You're correct, not everyone can hoard everything. You've got a limited amount of space in your freezer. But you have a pickup truck, 2 other cars, and several gas cans. You make a run on gas. I make a run on food. Louder makes a run on hand lotion and bubble bath.

Panic is deadly, too. In my hypothetical, the pandemic will kill, economic collapse will kill, and panic in the streets will kill.

Eventually secondary [black] markets will be established and people will gouge the hot items and barter the others. Those months it takes to establish the secondary markets will not be fun.

" Get your hand sanitizer here! 50$ for an 6 oz bottle................



oh, yeah, Free Shipping if you order a case!"

 

[volbeast33]

Do you disregard food recalls as well?

This is not exactly a recall but I take advantage of when restaurants have issues.... ny favorite is ocharleys..... when they had the ecoli outbreak..... it was so nice eating on Friday and Saturday nights pretty much by myself

 

[GVF]

America’s Authoritarian Governor

Georgia had an early surge of the virus, and now cases are spiking again. Brian Kemp has refused to learn a thing.

"Georgia’s response to the pandemic has not been going well. It was bad from the beginning: Back in early April, weeks after other states took initial precautions, Georgia dawdled toward a shutdown while its coronavirus cases surged. Still, less than a month later, the state chose to be among the first in the nation to reopen, bringing back businesses known to accelerate the virus’s spread, such as restaurants and gyms, even though new infections had never made a significant or sustained decline. In June, the state welcomed back bars. What happened next was predictable, and was predicted: Case counts came roaring back. More people got sick and died. Many of these deaths were preventable. The state now has the sixth-highest number of coronavirus cases in the United States, behind five states with significantly larger populations."

"In Georgia, and around the world, it has become clear that a novel virus doesn’t respond to the anti-scientific, expertise-shirking preferences of modern authoritarianism."

"... like the authoritarian he’s shown himself to be, Kemp seems intent on maintaining the disastrous course his administration has plotted so far, at the expense of the people of Georgia. “It’s truly unbelievable,” Heiman said. “It will be a case study for decades to come of what an utter collapse of political and public-health leadership looks like.”

Sounds more like New York, where the weak have cowered, yet cases per capita are far beyond them dumb rednecks. How many patients did the GA governor send to nursing homes to die. How did that science work out. How has the science of masks curtailed the virus? How has the expertise of Fauci benefitted anyone?

 

[volbeast33]

Former national security adviser John Bolton told Yahoo News on Wednesday that President Trump’s failure to level with the public about the gravity of the coronavirus threat “almost certainly” cost lives and is emblematic of Trump’s tendency to make decisions solely on what “will affect him politically.”

“A real leader knows how to communicate ‘We’ve got a serious problem here and we’re going to address it seriously,’” Bolton said in his interview with the Yahoo News “Skullduggery” podcast. “That doesn’t cause a panic among the American people. They’re not children. But Trump knew that if he were truly candid about the nature of the threat we faced and what might have to happen that he would bear negative consequences.”

Is Bolton a scientist or do we just trust anyone that shares our opinion..... I feel that wearing masks and social distancing has the potential to cost lives

 

[AM64]

Joe mentions following the science on a 3 month, nationwide mask mandate and then recently walks it back because of that constitution thing being an issue.

Now Trump should have went straight dictator and not stopped with masks but should have shut down the entire country.

Oh politics.

There actually is precedent for moderate federal action during an emergency without going all Abe Lincoln and suspending rights. Back among my clutter of memorabilia I have some WW2 ration coupon books allowing the purchase of food and gasoline within limits. That process was started by a Dem president no less.

This was a perfect storm to sink any president. Trump foundered, but there's not much to show that anyone else might have done better. The real failure was decades coming - the appalling unpreparedness of agencies like the CDC that all previous administrations apparently failed to hold accountable. FEMA is a disaster. Our biggest fault, though: We have a terrible tendency to see people at the top in business and government as the best and fittest rather than simply winners of popularity contests who rely on the support of the organization to get anything right.

 

[BeecherVol]

There actually is precedent for moderate federal action during an emergency without going all Abe Lincoln and suspending rights. Back among my clutter of memorabilia I have some WW2 ration coupon books allowing the purchase of food and gasoline within limits. That process was started by a Dem president no less.

This was a perfect storm to sink any president. Trump foundered, but there's not much to show that anyone else might have done better. The real failure was decades coming - the appalling unpreparedness of agencies like the CDC that all previous administrations apparently failed to hold accountable. FEMA is a disaster. Our biggest fault, though: We have a terrible tendency to see people at the top in business and government as the best and fittest rather than simply winners of popularity contests who rely on the support of the organization to get anything right.

I remember my grandmother mentioning something similar (maybe thats what they were). Her dad ran a general store and I think they ran across those from time to time.

There wasn't a winning solution where the virus hit a wall in the US and the economy kept on clicking. The overall picture of the virus wasn't just about the virus, and looking at it that way is too simplistic. The more areas it touches the more people that are involved, The more people it involves the more problems occur. Trump was far from perfect on the matter, but he wasn't the cause many want to make him either.

 

[TheDeeble]

I was unintentionally vague.

You're correct, not everyone can hoard everything. You've got a limited amount of space in your freezer. But you have a pickup truck, 2 other cars, and several gas cans. You make a run on gas. I make a run on food. Louder makes a run on hand lotion and bubble bath.

Panic is deadly, too. In my hypothetical, the pandemic will kill, economic collapse will kill, and panic in the streets will kill.

Eventually secondary [black] markets will be established and people will gouge the hot items and barter the others. Those months it takes to establish the secondary markets will not be fun.

I'm buying all the ranch dressing. Will be king of Covid world then.

 

[AM64]

I remember my grandmother mentioning something similar (maybe thats what they were). Her dad ran a general store and I think they ran across those from time to time.

Rationing was a necessary restriction due to the times - we simply had limited resources due to the war effort. I'm generally as independent as they come, but sometimes in extraordinary circumstances people running the show do have to step up - like evacuations in the face of disasters. Having survived a wife with covid, I can say for sure it wasn't "nothing" and that protective measures like masks do absolutely make a difference.

This is actually one time I kinda jump ship. I have absolutely no problem with mask mandates; if simple precautions like that are taken, then not shutting the county down is an option since you can do something positive to control the spread. To me it's playing the odds whether I pass someone who can infect me in a store vs being in a house with and caring for someone who could 100% infect me. In either case I'll willingly wear a mask to protect myself and others, and I don't think it's too much to ask others to do the same.

My biggest problem is that those running the show were unprepared to provide good scientific guidance for protection or to have insured that people had the means to protect themselves. A little WW2 reasoning would have told any sane person that when times are bad what you have on hand for self preservation trumps anything a long logistic chain starting in China.

 

[allvol123]

Outside of Rand Paul, I can't think of any better options on the GOP, DNC or hell... even on the Libertarian Ticket with Gary Johnson...

Gary was awful.

The fact the L party cant make any inroads given what the D and R parties are doing, makes you wonder what they hell they are doing.

 

[BeecherVol]

Rationing was a necessary restriction due to the times - we simply had limited resources due to the war effort. I'm generally as independent as they come, but sometimes in extraordinary circumstances people running the show do have to step up - like evacuations in the face of disasters. Having survived a wife with covid, I can say for sure it wasn't "nothing" and that protective measures like masks do absolutely make a difference.

This is actually one time I kinda jump ship. I have absolutely no problem with mask mandates; if simple precautions like that are taken, then not shutting the county down is an option since you can do something positive to control the spread. To me it's playing the odds whether I pass someone who can infect me in a store vs being in a house with and caring for someone who could 100% infect me. In either case I'll willingly wear a mask to protect myself and others, and I don't think it's too much to ask others to do the same.

My biggest problem is that those running the show were unprepared to provide good scientific guidance for protection or to have insured that people had the means to protect themselves. A little WW2 reasoning would have told any sane person that when times are bad what you have on hand for self preservation trumps anything a long logistic chain starting in China.

I don't have a problem with the idea. I wear one when I see it appropriate, if Im indoors not in my home. I work outside 75% of the time where I don't wear one.

If I was absolute on a mandate I would prefer it on a state and or local level.

 

[AM64]

Gary was awful.

The fact the L party cant make any inroads given what the D and R parties are doing, makes you wonder what they hell they are doing.

Can't make much headway when you only come out every four years. To be a national contender they have to start at the bottom and actually get some effective people elected to state and national legislatures. Can't give much respect to someone unwilling to do the basics to build a real organization.

 

[McDad]

@Coug
Want to thank you for a very enjoyable thread. I had a great time.

 

[AM64]

I don't have a problem with the idea. I wear one when I see it appropriate, if Im indoors not in my home. I work outside 75% of the time where I don't wear one.

If I was absolute on a mandate I would prefer it on a state and or local level.

I agree; and if I'm not around others, I don't wear a mask outdoors either. However, if TN requires masks and say GA doesn't and there are no travel restrictions, it sure limits effectiveness - like allowing air travel from one place but not another when neither is "safe".

 

[hUTch2002]

Stupid is as stupid does. Guess he could shoot someone in the middle of TS and you'd still vote for him. Your pride is blinding you to the truth.

If he claimed he was a peaceful protestor he’d certainly get away with it these days and the Dems would support it, claim it is justifiable, and then condemn it publicly months later if polling wasn’t looking good.

 

[AM64]

The curve was flattened like a fritter. If we are really concerned about saving lives, please wear a mask during flu season for the rest of your life. Tia.

Gotta disagree with you on that one McDad - a pretty rare thing. For the common flu, we have vaccines and treatments that generally work, so we can slide on some of the protective measures and get away with it. Sure the common varieties of the flu do stretch the abilities of compromised immune systems and people die, but with years of experience they have a far better chance than with a far less understood disease. Years ago when I was working in Japan it seemed strange seeing people wearing masks from time to time; my "guide" (for lack of a better term) told me that it was common for people with a cold to wear masks to prevent spreading it to others. I wouldn't mind at all seeing more of us displaying that kind of respect for others.

 

[hUTch2002]

Their government did nothing. Absolutely nothing. And they are doing better than we are, and have been for months.

It’s cultural. Their citizens took responsibility for themselves. Stayed home. Wore masks. Followed government guidance and science. 42% of ours still won’t and it just happens to be the same 42% that envy Trump’s jock lice.

Then why were the worst states blue states RT? Come on man.

 

[hUTch2002]

So to prove your point that I’m “making stuff up” you selectively cropped a few lines from an article about how private entities in Sweden are recommending masks and which shows pictures of people in Sweden wearing masks?

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Seriously?

You know what they didn’t do in Sweden that we did? Riot.

 

[AM64]

The timelines are important here. Mass got pounded right out of the gate, but once social distancing was put in place, has done great since then.

Conversely, the ignorant rednecks of Georgia ignored the lessons learned elsewhere, opened up their economy, and thousands of people died that shouldn't have. To this day, they still can't get it right. All thanks to the dumbass Republican Governor there.

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Hmmm. Makes you wonder where all those infected damn yankees went when times got bad in the city.