Trump Deliberately Lied To Americans About Covid 19

Gotta disagree with you on that one McDad - a pretty rare thing. For the common flu, we have vaccines and treatments that generally work, so we can slide on some of the protective measures and get away with it. Sure the common varieties of the flu do stretch the abilities of compromised immune systems and people die, but with years of experience they have a far better chance than with a far less understood disease. Years ago when I was working in Japan it seemed strange seeing people wearing masks from time to time; my "guide" (for lack of a better term) told me that it was common for people with a cold to wear masks to prevent spreading it to others. I wouldn't mind at all seeing more of us displaying that kind of respect for others.
Depends on what your good of society is. If you are just playing the short game, sure wearing a mask for the cold makes sense. But what happens to our collective immune systems when we do that type of isolation? We make ourselves more vulnerable by not having enough exposure. All vaccines do is speed up the process for most people.

It doesnt make sense to treat the general population the same as the at risk.
 
If you wanna know why people love Trump so much than look in the mirror. I know that’s hard for lefty’s, I was once a lefty for 18 years of my life, I know that ideology doesn’t like you to think below the surface level. It’s not trump, it’s you/Dems. You’re not giving a better option and y’all are definitely not listening to people’s criticism. So the only thing left to do is vote for trump...... and hey if he trolls the hell outta of y’all, well than that’s just the cherry on top.
Shhh...people only voted for Trump because they hated Hillary. That’s the entire basis for the Dem 2020 campaign. They think they can nominate someone who doesn’t invoke strong emotions in any way, hide him, protect him, keep him out of the spotlight, and that people’s hate for Trump will win the election. Why? Because they think that’s how Trump won. And when Trump wins again they will call it rigged, say Russia interfered, Trump cheated somehow (probably with double votes in NC), and then continue pitching the same hissy fit we’ve heard since November 2016.
 
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Depends on what your good of society is. If you are just playing the short game, sure wearing a mask for the cold makes sense. But what happens to our collective immune systems when we do that type of isolation? We make ourselves more vulnerable by not having enough exposure. All vaccines do is speed up the process for most people.

It doesnt make sense to treat the general population the same as the at risk.

I'm sorry, but I can't agree. That argument is like saying it's better to let smallpox or polio run rampant to develop herd immunity than to try and contain it while developing a vaccine. I think we are better than that. Perhaps covid really is less serious than we first imagined, but I can tell you that the stories about after effects are true - at least in my wife's case, and, true, we are in an older age group. You know the thought was that hot weather was going to do covid in (despite the evidence in places like Singapore); and that didn't happen. When we actually have an effective vaccine in hand, everything changes.
 
To me it makes a former serious journalist look like a political hack and sellout

That's assuming you let Woodward's "expose" of one political group's misdeeds while ignoring the other side pass as journalism. The guy has been a hack all along; he just did it credibly with appropriate footnotes and "research".
 
I'm sorry, but I can't agree. That argument is like saying it's better to let smallpox or polio run rampant to develop herd immunity than to try and contain it while developing a vaccine. I think we are better than that. Perhaps covid really is less serious than we first imagined, but I can tell you that the stories about after effects are true - at least in my wife's case, and, true, we are in an older age group. You know the thought was that hot weather was going to do covid in (despite the evidence in places like Singapore); and that didn't happen. When we actually have an effective vaccine in hand, everything changes.
I dont think we develop immunity to those do we? Or at least they were wreaking havoc for a long time. Or if the mortality rate is actually high enough to matter it makes sense to shut down a bit. But at that point we are all a vulnerable population. But we arent anywhere close to that level of need.

Do what you need to protect you and yours. If someone interferes with that directly they are in the wrong. But if they are just going about their life and happen to run across you or your wife it's no fault of theirs if someone gets sick.

We have never cared this much about disease spreading before. It just doesnt make sense to me that we have gone from 0 to 100 over Covid.
 
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Then why were the worst states blue states RT? Come on man.
You know what they didn’t do in Sweden that we did? Riot.

Those states are the worst because that’s where it spread first, when information was scarce (because we weren’t prepared) And because they’re geographically predisposed to rapid spread.

The death rate has declined as medical providers have adapted and learned effective treatments, so states hit earliest should naturally have worse mortality measures.

Also, the states that got hit early were geographically predisposed to being hit hard. Try comparing states and massive metro areas with the busiest international airports, seaports, and highest population density and you start to see correlations with deaths per million beyond “red” and “blue.” (Louisiana, NYC, CHI, NJ, MASS, LA, Seattle, etc. all have strong correlations when you look at those lists).

Then, look at the infection and death curves over time and you see that, by in large, those blue states got hit very early before it tapered off. Recent death trends (which should be suppressed due to having the benefit of better public information and treatment) tend towards red states with 3 of 4 states with triple digit Covid fatalities over the past 7 days being majority republican.

As to the second question: Trump virus was out of control before the protests and riots. Had the response been going well, followed by a spike in deaths and cases that was geographically centered around those protests, then maybe. But that doesn’t appear to be the whole story, because states like Mississippi, where there was very little protesting and almost no rioting, have also had very serious outbreaks.
 
I dont think we develop immunity to those do we? Or at least they were wreaking havoc for a long time. Or if the mortality rate is actually high enough to matter it makes sense to shut down a bit. But at that point we are all a vulnerable population. But we arent anywhere close to that level of need.

Do what you need to protect you and yours. If someone interferes with that directly they are in the wrong. But if they are just going about their life and happen to run across you or your wife it's no fault of theirs if someone gets sick.

We have never cared this much about disease spreading before. It just doesnt make sense to me that we have gone from 0 to 100 over Covid.

I don't know for sure about polio and immunity after contracting it, but I did grow up when it was very much a concern until an effective vaccine came along - perhaps for some of the older of us that shapes our views.

As I best remember, once someone had smallpox, cowpox, or the vaccination (with the live virus), they were immune. Once virtually everybody was immune, the disease was considered eradicated - until some idiot in a viral test lab reintroduced it. I still believe the start of the covid-19 epidemic was the result of dummies playing with dangerous things.

Does our response to covid have to be one way or another - all or nothing? Certainly not. It isn't whether normal people can survive so much as what happens with no containment effort when it would overload the healthcare system. I suppose attitudes on how things are handled depends largely on personal values and expected outcomes. The kid who died after attending a covid party obviously got that part all wrong - young, apparently healthy, with no apparent regard for others, and quite possibly terminally dumb. It came back and bit him - fatally. In the end we don't live in a vacuum, and our personal decisions often affect the lives of others. Until there's a vaccine and things are under control, I'll wear a mask to protect you and me, but I obviously can't force or probably even convince others to do the same.
 
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McDad said:
Another thought:

Cuomo as governor of Florida:
Everyone listen up. A cat 5 hurricane is headed straight for us. Everyone gather together broken glass, materials which are light but can impale easily, tie weights to your legs, and assemble on the beach. Do not, i repeat, do not bring anything which can be used as flotation. And there is a 14 day waiting list for anyone trying to leave for New York if you re thinking of evacuating

Just like damn yankees. They come down here, spread their diseases and ideas, and then their own kind won't let them back in.
 
the economy is essential to provide things which sustain both quality and quantity of life.

You can't go with that argument. See the left knows there is always free money for stuff so the economy is immaterial. Without offending one or more of our residents, the left have a savior named Keynes who believed in spend now and the resultant stimulated juju economy will pay it all back sometime - unfortunately no government seems to have ever spent (or been able to spend enough) to make his dream come true.
 
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You can't go with that argument. See the left knows there is always free money for stuff so the economy is immaterial. Without offending one or more of our residents, the left have a savior named Keynes who believed in spend now and the resultant stimulated juju economy will pay it all back sometime - unfortunately no government seems to have ever spent (or been able to spend enough) to make his dream come true.
Didn't Keynes advise government inject money during downturns and pull money out (tax) during up turns to repay any borrowed?

If so, we're great at the first part but suck at the other.
 
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Didn't Keynes advise government inject money during downturns and pull money out (tax) during up turns to repay any borrowed?

If so, we're great at the first part but suck at the other.

Seems like it was pretty much that way; in my later years I've tried to forget all the economics courses I ever took. The concept was something like the economy would get so hot the taxes would just roll in and pay back the debt to get things rolling. It just never appears to work, so the argument is the government didn't spend enough.
 
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Those states are the worst because that’s where it spread first, when information was scarce (because we weren’t prepared) And because they’re geographically predisposed to rapid spread.

The death rate has declined as medical providers have adapted and learned effective treatments, so states hit earliest should naturally have worse mortality measures.

Also, the states that got hit early were geographically predisposed to being hit hard. Try comparing states and massive metro areas with the busiest international airports, seaports, and highest population density and you start to see correlations with deaths per million beyond “red” and “blue.” (Louisiana, NYC, CHI, NJ, MASS, LA, Seattle, etc. all have strong correlations when you look at those lists).

Then, look at the infection and death curves over time and you see that, by in large, those blue states got hit very early before it tapered off. Recent death trends (which should be suppressed due to having the benefit of better public information and treatment) tend towards red states with 3 of 4 states with triple digit Covid fatalities over the past 7 days being majority republican.

As to the second question: Trump virus was out of control before the protests and riots. Had the response been going well, followed by a spike in deaths and cases that was geographically centered around those protests, then maybe. But that doesn’t appear to be the whole story, because states like Mississippi, where there was very little protesting and almost no rioting, have also had very serious outbreaks.
This thing has been completely overplayed and overused for political purposes. That’s what this story is really about. People were starting to talk mostly about how the Dems and MSM media used this virus as a political tool and still are using it so they concocted this crap story to get people to talk about this instead and take focus away from things like recent reports coming from the CDC. Even with all of the crap data collection we have been pretty much on par with the rest of the world in deaths per 100K people. It’s a virus that has to run its course. It’s already done so to a great extent so let’s stop dragging this out and move on with our lives.
 
This thing has been completely overplayed and overused for political purposes. That’s what this story is really about. People were starting to talk mostly about how the Dems and MSM media used this virus as a political tool and still are using it so they concocted this crap story to get people to talk about this instead and take focus away from things like recent reports coming from the CDC. Even with all of the crap data collection we have been pretty much on par with the rest of the world in deaths per 100K people. It’s a virus that has to run its course. It’s already done so to a great extent so let’s stop dragging this out and move on with our lives.

Disagree with every single sentence of this post. Dumbfounded that so many people can just write off this many deaths.
 
It doesn't matter, guys. There could be a video of Trump actually injecting people with the virus and his cult of uneducated white racists would still defend it.
You sure do bleat some funny ones. Way to use 4 of the Dem buzz words: injecting, cult, uneducated, and racists. That might earn you some Pelosi ice cream!
 
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Didn't Pelosi and other Dems call for people to visit China town in late February while the interview is in early February? If he took a more panicked demeanor, we can absolutely assume they'd cry nazi, dictator, power hungry blah blah.
She absolutely did
 
I bet if Trump had vetoed the additional incentives given to hospitals that treated covid patients that thousands of lives would have been saved.
 
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I don't like what woodward did either. But to say the real blame lies with him is just ludicrous. We have a POTUS massively lying directly to the American people and you put the blame on an unelected messenger!?!?
Did Pelosi and the other Dems lie about it when they said it wasn’t a big deal?
 
They didn't have the intelligence briefings that Trump had.
That is one of the dumbest things you’ve posted and that is one impressive list. You’re telling me that the Speaker of the House wasn’t privy to information on the virus? Ok. Whatever you say. I’m pretty sure utvol already posted some tweets from Feb where it showed Congress was briefed but keep on running with the lies.
 
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