Trump Deliberately Lied To Americans About Covid 19

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titansvolsfaninga said:
A lot of Antifa protestors are white. The BLM protests are peaceful marches during the day. A lot of militias are also infiltrating protests to cause havoc. You're mixing all these groups together and saying they are all bad. However, America was built on looting and destruction. The rioting and destruction that happened during desegregation and the civil rights era, during reconstruction, and during the red summer are just a few instances in the country's history. History always repeats itself.
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The race of a criminal really does not matter to me. If all these movements are being infiltrated to sick a degree then maybe they should start policing their membership better.

This isn't about civil rights it's using one pos that unfortunately died and another idiot who was shot as excuses for riots and free goods. Had the riots, looting and destruction not happened the whole country would have been united in the cause. This ruined it
 
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utvolpj said:
The race of a criminal really does not matter to me. If all these movements are being infiltrated to sick a degree then maybe they should start policing their membership better.

This isn't about civil rights it's using one pos that unfortunately died and another idiot who was shot as excuses for riots and free goods. Had the riots, looting and destruction not happened the whole country would have been united in the cause. This ruined it
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Yep and so many media lies involved in these stories..... not a single one of the match the initial story that was told
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
So your position is that every one gets the same intelligence briefings as the president? Is this your way of absolving him of responsibility? It is everyone else's fault but his. Bob Woodward, senate democrats, President Obama, VP Biden, Pelosi.....Cuomo.....everyone but his. You guys are a joke. No mention of senate republicans though.....only thing they knew to do was to commit some insider stock trading.
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Buddy of mine made the Russian roulette comparison earlier, today based on how difficult it is to predict who will have a bad experience. Interesting to hear it twice in one day.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I agree in certain that happens but the guy that shot up the church put his gun down and surrendered to the cops when they showed up..... now fast forward to the Portland antifa guy who came out guns blazing and he died in the street.
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Agreed, but Philando Castile was shot while he was complying.
 
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utvolpj said:
It's all over unless you think the looting and riots were limited to only a small handful who were arrested. Chazchop, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland, Kenosha, etc. all had huge numbers in the streets yet few arrests
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So no link?

You said we were being told to let people go because they are black. Shouldn’t be hard to back that up. It would have been big news.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Buddy of mine made the Russian roulette comparison earlier, today based on how difficult it is to predict who will have a bad experience. Interesting to hear it twice in one day.
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call and check on someone you think may be depressed. A phone call will make a difference.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Access to bail is not “walking free.”
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Oh I didn’t realize that was the main word but den mayors over these cities have made police stand down and let these criminals destroy their towns..... why would Biden/Harris bail out these people that burnt Minneapolis to the ground?
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
A lot of Antifa protestors are white. The BLM protests are peaceful marches during the day. A lot of militias are also infiltrating protests to cause havoc. You're mixing all these groups together and saying they are all bad. However, America was built on looting and destruction. The rioting and destruction that happened during desegregation and the civil rights era, during reconstruction, and during the red summer are just a few instances in the country's history. History always repeats itself.
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“History always repeats itself” is a lie.
 
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utvolpj said:
The race of a criminal really does not matter to me. If all these movements are being infiltrated to sick a degree then maybe they should start policing their membership better.

This isn't about civil rights it's using one pos that unfortunately died and another idiot who was shot as excuses for riots and free goods. Had the riots, looting and destruction not happened the whole country would have been united in the cause. This ruined it
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Well, there is not a membership. So there's that....these are public protests.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Oh I didn’t realize that was the main word but den mayors over these cities have made police stand down and let these criminals destroy their towns..... why would Biden/Harris bail out these people that burnt Minneapolis to the ground?
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Gonna need some links to support these characterizations.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Agreed, but Philando Castile was shot while he was complying.
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Castille’s shooting seemed wrong to me but the cop was charged..... I would like to have seen the evidence of why the jury found him not guilty...... the bad things about this cases is we see split second video and usually biased media/witness accounts but never get to hear the evidence presented..... Also that cop was not a white guy.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Castille’s shooting seemed wrong to me but the cop was charged..... I would like to have seen the evidence of why the jury found him not guilty...... the bad things about this cases is we see split second video and usually biased media/witness accounts but never get to hear the evidence presented..... Also that cop was not a white guy.
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Although my wife and I are licensed gun owners, and both have CCP, we never open carry for fear of this happening. For some police, any person of color with a legal handgun is a threat. None of my friends open carry either.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
You're very misinformed. You think the protest are because we want black people to be free to commit crimes without consequence? You may want to educate yourself. The protest are happening because a person of color being pulled over for a busted tail light should not end up dead, while someone that shoots up a church is taken into custody without a scratch and taken into custody without a scratch. A person of color, that "fits the description" should not be killed because they fit the description. Afford people of color the same liberties and restraint shown to white criminals.
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who was shot just because of a busted tail light or just because the police said they fit a description??
And it's amazing that criminals (yes even murderers) get arrested "without a scratch" because they actually surrender and don't run, fight, or try to assault or kill police during the incident.

Most logical people understand the difference.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Those states are the worst because that’s where it spread first, when information was scarce (because we weren’t prepared) And because they’re geographically predisposed to rapid spread.

The death rate has declined as medical providers have adapted and learned effective treatments, so states hit earliest should naturally have worse mortality measures.

Also, the states that got hit early were geographically predisposed to being hit hard. Try comparing states and massive metro areas with the busiest international airports, seaports, and highest population density and you start to see correlations with deaths per million beyond “red” and “blue.” (Louisiana, NYC, CHI, NJ, MASS, LA, Seattle, etc. all have strong correlations when you look at those lists).

Then, look at the infection and death curves over time and you see that, by in large, those blue states got hit very early before it tapered off. Recent death trends (which should be suppressed due to having the benefit of better public information and treatment) tend towards red states with 3 of 4 states with triple digit Covid fatalities over the past 7 days being majority republican.

As to the second question: Trump virus was out of control before the protests and riots. Had the response been going well, followed by a spike in deaths and cases that was geographically centered around those protests, then maybe. But that doesn’t appear to be the whole story, because states like Mississippi, where there was very little protesting and almost no rioting, have also had very serious outbreaks.
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Again Atlanta throws that whole thing for a curve. We are one of the world's busiest airports, yet alone the country's. Big metro area. We weren't hit hard or early. We opened up well before anyone else did, even Trump came out against how early we opened up.we had been open at least a month before they really got a hold of what Covid does.

And a good portion of the drop off in the areas hit hard are going to be from the natural virus curve, not anything they did. And for the southern and other states you see the exact same curves hit that the northern states went thru. Again natural virus spread. No one should be shocked by any of this.

And when the number of infected are still just fractions of the population I dont see how the final number matters if deaths are lower?

It seems like that is the next goal post shift.
15 days to flatten the curve turned into no deaths which is now no sickness. Ever changing standard the corona bros are using to justify the freakout.

It's a complete crap standard at that too. Except for pure statistical curiosity why would the number of sick matter? Hospitalized is a drain on resources and "serious" cases, that makes sense to worried about. Number of dead is obviously a worry and worth tracking. But with people working from home, and most of the infected not even knowing they are sick why does that matter enough to say X state is bad? Its informative but beyond that I see little value in the panic. We never worried about that before.

The reason we are told H1N1 was a bad reference was because Covid kills more. But if you look at sick/infected, which is the metric we apparently now care about, H1N1 was way way worse.

Pick a metric and stick to it.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Agreed, but Philando Castile was shot while he was complying.
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And everyone thinks that is a perfect example of a "bad shoot" by a police officer. But Michael Brown, Jacob Blake, Trayvon Martin, dude in Atlanta, etc. isn't even close to the same type of incident
 
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ajvol01 said:
This isn’t news. He said the same publicly. Many times.

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Lmao, how come Acosta sat on this super secret tape that ran on his network months ago!?

Anyway, it’s very clear from the beginning that Trump’s aim was to avoid public panic, while assembling the covid task force which issued direction from CDC officials. Can criticize what those directions ended up being, but Trump took the right approach. If anything he should have insisted on being more aggressive on the travel bans. Which Dems decried at the time. Serious gaslighting going on. They’re so desperate to take a pandemic and use as a political hatchet.
 
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