Trump on Outkick this morning

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#77
NashVol11 said:
They weren't going to suggest masks, but then they realized, "Jackpot! We can tell people to wear masks, and then they will, and that gives us a ton of power because of...?"
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All part of fear and control. It pretends that life outside your home is so dangerous you have to wear a mask to prevent your own death or from killing others. Here, stay home and we'll send you money, suspends your rent/mortgage, etc. Economy collapsed? It's OK, we'll take more from evil rich folk and make sure you get paid anyways
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
looks like a photo op to me
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Yeah, 5 years ago he did a photop because he's wholly dishonest, and also precognitive, and knew that in the future a bunch of guys on social media with 8th grade biology backgrounds would question his expertise, and since he hadn't actually treated a patient since 1980, figured that picture would be the ammunition he needed to keep anyone from digging into his work history.

Legit theory, do you have a newsletter I can sign up for?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Our understanding of them certainly did.
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And given that idea in general we were supposed to be ready and waiting on something we (our experts) didn't understand? Early on Fauci didn't think the virus was something we (the american citizens) needed to worry about. Obviously that opinion has changed a lot over time, as well as what we should or shouldn't be doing.

Fauci has been a political football from day 1 and the left kicked first.
 
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BeecherVol said:
And given that idea in general we were supposed to be ready and waiting on something we (our experts) didn't understand? Early on Fauci didn't think the virus was something we (the american citizens) needed to worry about. Obviously that opinion has changed a lot over time, as well as what we should or shouldn't be doing.

Fauci has been a political football from day 1 and the left kicked first.
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He said we didn't need to worry about it because we didn't have many cases here, which yes, changed a lot over time
 
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utvolpj said:
All part of fear and control. It pretends that life outside your home is so dangerous you have to wear a mask to prevent your own death or from killing others. Here, stay home and we'll send you money, suspends your rent/mortgage, etc. Economy collapsed? It's OK, we'll take more from evil rich folk and make sure you get paid anyways
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Couple lil problems with your grand control conspiracy theory are the facts that (1) the government could easily exert far more control (or make life outside seem far more dangerous) if it wanted to and (2) having people wear masks results in literally zero benefit to the government other than an extremely weak slippery slope/gateway drug theory
 
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allvol123 said:
So the science guy all you place on a pedestal, said not to worry right before all hell broke loose.

He's truly magnificent.
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First of all, there's only one science guy.

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NashVol11 said:
Couple lil problems with your grand control conspiracy theory are the facts that (1) the government could easily exert far more control (or make life outside seem far more dangerous) if it wanted to and (2) having people wear masks results in literally zero benefit to the government other than an extremely weak slippery slope/gateway drug theory
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Both are incorrect. There are limits to the power govt holds. Some have tried to do more and the citizens rightfully pushed back. Some accept it since they're paid off. Money is much easier to work with and be "legal". I addressed the 2nd point but you ignored it - Masks instill fear
 
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BeardedVol said:
That's because the school system(s) that administered your K-12 education failed you, and as a result you are an adult who doesn't understand the relatively basic concepts of 'scientific hypothesis','scientific fact', 'scientific law','scientific theory', and how they relate to one another.
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Actually, it would be my college professors...... I do understand it.... they take certain data and give an opinion of it based on the data they are using.... sometimes biases help to create that opinion.
 
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utvolpj said:
Both are incorrect. There are limits to the power govt holds. Some have tried to do more and the citizens rightfully pushed back. Some accept it since they're paid off. Money is much easier to work with and be "legal". I addressed the 2nd point but you ignored it - Masks instill fear
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Government could implement or suggest curfews, lockdowns, travel restrictions, regular testing at certain intervals, any number of things that would instill far more fear. Added bonus would be that they could push those ideas without appearing to reverse their position and creating this doubt that certain people have about masks. "Citizens" aren't going to present meaningful resistance any more than they already are with masks.

But sure, your theory that they chose masks, of all things, as their hill to die on - BUT not immediately because they kinda just forgot, but then realized it later - is bulletproof.
 
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#88
volbeast33 said:
Actually, it would be my college professors...... I do understand it.... they take certain data and give an opinion of it based on the data they are using.... sometimes biases help to create that opinion.
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So what was the highest science course that you completed in college that still left you bereft of an understanding of basic scientific concepts?
 
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NashVol11 said:
He said we didn't need to worry about it because we didn't have many cases here, which yes, changed a lot over time
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Yeah, Im fully aware of what he said.

That didn't stop the political games in regards to the immediate response to something that wasn't a worry. He has been used as a tool from the start and that hasn't changed.
 
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#90
BeardedVol said:
Yeah, 5 years ago he did a photop because he's wholly dishonest, and also precognitive, and knew that in the future a bunch of guys on social media with 8th grade biology backgrounds would question his expertise, and since he hadn't actually treated a patient since 1980, figured that picture would be the ammunition he needed to keep anyone from digging into his work history.

Legit theory, do you have a newsletter I can sign up for?
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The man put on what was at the time state of the art PPE and spent time with a patient a couple of times in order to show the people he was directing to do the same thing that it was safe. Good leadership but does not in any way indicate that the man has any recent hand's on experience treating patients. I trust my friend. Good day
 
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NashVol11 said:
Government could implement or suggest curfews, lockdowns, travel restrictions, regular testing at certain intervals, any number of things that would instill far more fear. Added bonus would be that they could push those ideas without appearing to reverse their position and creating this doubt that certain people have about masks. "Citizens" aren't going to present meaningful resistance any more than they already are with masks.

But sure, your theory that they chose masks, of all things, as their hill to die on - BUT not immediately because they kinda just forgot, but then realized it later - is bulletproof.
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masks are simply one of the tools.
All those you listed have already been done on different levels. This discussion might be better if you were paying attention. Might...
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The man put on what was at the time state of the art PPE and spent time with a patient a couple of times in order to show the people he was directing to do the same thing that it was safe. Good leadership but does not in any way indicate that the man has any recent hand's on experience treating patients. I trust my friend. Good day
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Oh look, somebody got mad cause he got caught peddling a falsehood that took all of 15 seconds to disprove.

Your posts definitely give credence to the stereotypical view that "hillbillies" are both under-educated and willfully ignorant.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Government could implement or suggest curfews, lockdowns, travel restrictions, regular testing at certain intervals, any number of things that would instill far more fear. Added bonus would be that they could push those ideas without appearing to reverse their position and creating this doubt that certain people have about masks. "Citizens" aren't going to present meaningful resistance any more than they already are with masks.

But sure, your theory that they chose masks, of all things, as their hill to die on - BUT not immediately because they kinda just forgot, but then realized it later - is bulletproof.
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What was his stance on whether or not thousands of idiotic protesters rioting for months helped spread the virus or not?
 
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#94
NashVol11 said:
Government could implement or suggest curfews, lockdowns, travel restrictions, regular testing at certain intervals, any number of things that would instill far more fear. Added bonus would be that they could push those ideas without appearing to reverse their position and creating this doubt that certain people have about masks. "Citizens" aren't going to present meaningful resistance any more than they already are with masks.

But sure, your theory that they chose masks, of all things, as their hill to die on - BUT not immediately because they kinda just forgot, but then realized it later - is bulletproof.
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The federal government could not legally implement curfews, lock downs restrictions on travel within the country or regular testing. Several cities and states HAVE implemented curfews, lock downs and travel restrictions.
 
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utvolpj said:
masks are simply one of the tools.
All those you listed have already been done on different levels. This discussion might be better if you were paying attention. Might...
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Don't give me "different levels" garbage, tell me why the government (if its ultimate goal was instilling fear/controlling everyone) would focus on masks rather than other methods that instill more fear, exert more control and inspire less suspicion due to the "reversal" of opinion
 
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hog88 said:
The federal government could not legally implement curfews, lock downs restrictions on travel within the country or regular testing. Several cities and states HAVE implemented curfews, lock downs and travel restrictions.
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Federal government could easily suggest measures or place the focus wherever it wants to, though. Legality has never stopped Trump from floating wild overreaches of government power before
 
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#99
NashVol11 said:
Don't give me "different levels" garbage, tell me why the government (if its ultimate goal was instilling fear/controlling everyone) would focus on masks rather than other methods that instill more fear, exert more control and inspire less suspicion due to the "reversal" of opinion
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feds can't legally do much of what you listed. If they did they're would be demonstrations nationwide. The less suspicion part is covered by their miraculous ability to find trillions at just the right time. That's what the feds constantly do.
 
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