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[BigOrangeMojo]

is that taking into account all the billions saved by DOGE?

How much of that 400B is interest on the debt?

Biden started Trump in a deep deficit.

That is 36.59T today less 36.19T. Includes DOGE.

~139-140B of interest.

Total debt is 17.2T higher than March 2016 or almost doubled. Went up 6.5T from March 2016 to March 2020 (before any COVID bills). COVID and Biden was most of the remaining 10.7T

 

[Ritzwatch]

That is 36.59T today less 36.19T. Includes DOGE.

~139-140B of interest.

Total debt is 17.2T higher than March 2016 or almost doubled. Went up 6.5T from March 2016 to March 2020 (before any COVID bills). COVID and Biden was most of the remaining 10.7T

That interest alone is almost enough to fund a proxy war against Russia!

 

[utvolpj]

is that taking into account all the billions saved by DOGE?

How much of that 400B is interest on the debt?

Biden started Trump in a deep deficit...."Trump will have to trim spending for the rest of the year just to break even."

Doge isn't actually saving much and it really doesn't seem to be its purpose.

 

[just bob]

Doge isn't actually saving much and it really doesn't seem to be its purpose.

I'm not a big believer in DOGE. Though if you really want a REAL audit of everything it will take years.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You're both wrong. Trumputin Gate and the weaponization of the JD against Trump will be the worst .

That's a ridiculous sentiment .... and cultish in nature.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Doge isn't actually saving much and it really doesn't seem to be its purpose.

It's purpose seems to be twofold :

1) Dismantle oversight (but call it the bureaucracy).
2) Dissolve checks and balances.

DOGE is primarily an authoritarian power grab. This won't end up saving anything.

 

[Orange_Crush]

It's purpose seems to be twofold :

1) Dismantle oversight (but call it the bureaucracy).
2) Dissolve checks and balances.

DOGE is primarily an authoritarian power grab. This won't end up saving anything.

That's a ridiculous sentiment .... and cultish in nature.

 

[BowlBrother85]

That's a ridiculous sentiment .... and cultish in nature.

How so? LOL.

It would appear that you don't know what constitutes a cult. Are we gonna play another gotcha game?

 

[utvolpj]

It's purpose seems to be twofold :

1) Dismantle oversight (but call it the bureaucracy).
2) Dissolve checks and balances.

DOGE is primarily an authoritarian power grab. This won't end up saving anything.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

It's purpose seems to be twofold :

1) Dismantle oversight (but call it the bureaucracy).
2) Dissolve checks and balances.

DOGE is primarily an authoritarian power grab. This won't end up saving anything.

Disagree. I'd say its much more using this entity to search for partisan (D) waste in order to get red meat for the base and to reallocate $$$ from D waste to R waste...

Its why the Departments (R) that cant pass audits get a glancing blow at best

 

[MemphisVol77]

Disagree. I'd say its much more using this entity to go after partisan (D) waste in order to get red meat for the base....

Winner.
The GOP is gonna lean into and campaign pretty hard on this during the 2026 midterms.........

 

[utvolpj]

Winner.
The GOP is gonna lean into and campaign pretty hard on this during the 2026 midterms.........

And they're going to get destroyed if they stay on the same path

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Winner.
The GOP is gonna lean into and campaign pretty hard on this during the 2026 midterms.........

Exactly, these are political talking points. Any "savings" will go to the MIC....

 

[BowlBrother85]

Disagree. I'd say its much more using this entity to search for partisan (D) waste in order to get red meat for the base and to reallocate $$$ from D waste to R waste...

Its why the Departments (R) that cant pass audits get a glancing blow at best

Oh, I'm sure the people working DOGE are hoping to be able to report waste to Fox News, but Trump hates any type of oversight authority. It's a power grab.

Some 40% of Contracts Canceled by DOGE Won't Save Any Money

Elon Musk's department says contract cancellations are expected to save more than $7 billion so far, an amount experts say is inflated.

time.com

They won't save $hit.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Oh, I'm sure the people working DOGE are hoping to be able to report waste to Fox News, but Trump hates any type of oversight authority. It's a power grab.

Some 40% of Contracts Canceled by DOGE Won't Save Any Money

Elon Musk's department says contract cancellations are expected to save more than $7 billion so far, an amount experts say is inflated.

time.com

They won't save $hit.

They'll save some because Obama, Trump 1.0, and Biden all spent like crazy. Too much low hanging fruit...

But those savings will just end up getting reallocated to DoD.....

 

[MemphisVol77]

And they're going to get destroyed if they stay on the same path

Probably. The incumbent POTUS party hardly ever gains seats in the midterms.

The GOP seems to have adjusted strategy. It isn't a simple power grab to dissolve checks and balances like BB85 thinks. The democrats would be foolish to dismiss it as stupidity, though.

I'm very cynical the GOP passes a balanced budget if they get a red-wave, or even that they have altruistic intentions, but somethings working.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Probably. The incumbent POTUS party hardly ever gains seats in the midterms.

The GOP seems to have adjusted strategy. It isn't a simple power grab to dissolve checks and balances like BB85 thinks. The democrats would be foolish to dismiss it as stupidity, though.

I'm very cynical the GOP passes a balanced budget if they get a red-wave, or even that they have altruistic intentions, but somethings working.

Elon Musk is obviously a brilliant man, but he is not well-versed in this field and he is misrepresenting information.

Dozens of DOGE ‘receipts’ saved no money and killed contracts meant to boost efficiency

Many of the receipts published by Elon Musk’s DOGE aren’t receipts at all — they’re negotiated deals with vetted vendors who might do future government work.

www.nbcnews.com

This is an authoritarian power grab. That doesn't mean that Trump, Musk and DOGE officials don't also want to make appearances on Fox News and discuss all the Democratic Party waste they are supposedly saving American taxpayers.

The problem is .... they don't know how to accurately interpret their findings, or understand what they are truly "accomplishing."

Please read that article on NBCNews.com linked up above. Due to inexperience, DOGE officials don't know what they are doing. They are inflating the hell out of the amount of money their downsizing is actually saving, and selling it to the Republican Party base, who they know won't seek independent news sources and take the time to get the facts straight.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I dont love these ones.

1. CPI is a lagging indicator.
2. These are manipulated like crazy. WalMart, Costco, and Home Depot are the best purchasers on the planet. For the entirety of their histories, their cost was always less than cpi on their skus (usually significantly). However, for 18-24 months during Biden admin, their costs far exceeded reported reported CPI. Did they forget their biggest competitive advantage or was the govt figures BS....

@evillawyer ^^^^^^^^

 

[MemphisVol77]

Elon Musk is obviously a brilliant man, but he is not well-versed in this field and he is misrepresenting information.

Dozens of DOGE ‘receipts’ saved no money and killed contracts meant to boost efficiency

Many of the receipts published by Elon Musk’s DOGE aren’t receipts at all — they’re negotiated deals with vetted vendors who might do future government work.

www.nbcnews.com

This is an authoritarian power grab. That doesn't mean that Trump, Musk and DOGE officials don't also want to make appearances on Fox News and discuss all the Democratic Party waste they are supposedly saving American taxpayers.

The problem is .... they don't know how to accurately interpret their findings, or understand what they are truly "accomplishing."

Please read that article on NBCNews.com linked up above. Due to inexperience, DOGE officials don't know what they are doing. They are inflating the hell out of the amount of money their downsizing is actually saving, and selling it to the Republican Party base, who they know won't seek independent news sources and take the time to get the facts straight.

They don't know what they're doing but can manipulate the outcome to seize power?

They know exactly what they're doing. They're using EO to pi$s on the previous administration's leg like each party has been doing for the past 40 years.......

The problem is .... they don't know how to accurately interpret their findings, or understand what they are truly "accomplishing."

Or they know exactly how to interpret it and misrepresenting it accomplishes their goal. The more 'Jihad Sesame Street' and 'Transgender Mice' get fact checked, the more the expenditures stay in the news.

 

[BowlBrother85]

They don't know what they're doing but can manipulate the outcome to seize power?

They know exactly what they're doing. They're using EO to pi$s on the previous administration's leg like each party has been doing for the past 40 years.......

Or they know exactly how to interpret it and misrepresenting it accomplishes their goal. The more 'Jihad Sesame Street' and 'Transgender Mice' get fact checked, the more the expenditures stay in the news.

Judging by some of their corrections that have been made, I think it is probably a case of simply not understanding the difference between blanket purchase agreements (BPA's) and actual orders for goods and services.

However, it's always possible that DOGE could be exploiting the fact that they are trying to appeal to an ignorant party base of support, who won't understand the difference either.

Then you also have the fact that neither Donald Trump or Elon Musk ever correct the record when they have been alerted to having spread misinformation. They would rather just let the misinformation stand, than ever admit that they were wrong.

 

[hog88]

Cute.

There is no chance that Republicans will be consistent and blame Trump for a recession. When Biden was President, however, it was a different story. He was completely to blame for any negative economic data that was reported during his first few months in office. No considerations were ever given for lagging indicators.

We’ve been in a recession, Biden’s administration changed the definition and the MSM has covered for them.

 

[jmacvols1]

Doge isn't actually saving much and it really doesn't seem to be its purpose.

 

[jmacvols1]

That is 36.59T today less 36.19T. Includes DOGE.

~139-140B of interest.

Total debt is 17.2T higher than March 2016 or almost doubled. Went up 6.5T from March 2016 to March 2020 (before any COVID bills). COVID and Biden was most of the remaining 10.7T

Biden is also responsible for Trump starting out in a hole.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Biden is also responsible for Trump starting out in a hole.

Trump is responsible for a chunk of that interest

Trump has control of Congress. At some point, that excuse runs out...

Clearly not now but in a few months...

 

[BowlBrother85]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep believing that figure is legitimate ..... If you believe that, you would literally believe anything Trump and Musk tell you. This is a cult. There is no other logical explanation for this complete suspension of disbelief. It's irrational. Donald Trump could not appeal to anything but an uneducated and simple-minded base.