Trump takes the 5th

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For BB - 3 posters with some variation of if you're innocent there's no reason to take the fifth.

K-town Vol Fan said:
Well at least maybe some people will realize Trump is shady and all this isn't some grand conspiracy against him. Innocent people prove their innocence, not take the 5th.
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MontyPython said:
Wut? Who's buried in Grant's tomb?

"The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that “no person … shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself.”

Ergo, if you committed no crime, you won't self-incriminate.
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luthervol said:
I think he did what he needed to do if he is guilty.
He basically said, "of course I'm guilty, but I'm not about to help you prove it."

After all, if someone has an alibi which proves they are innocent of a suspected crime, I doubt they would choose to take the 5th.
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luthervol said:
He has pretty much been proven guilty. He was being given the opportunity to disprove those findings of guilt.....and he couldn't.
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luthervol said:
He has pretty much been proven guilty. He was being given the opportunity to disprove those findings of guilt.....and he couldn't.
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whether or not it is accurate to categorically label Trump as dumb can be disputed. That Trump says a lot of dumb things can not. Trump's criticism of other people for pleading the 5th Amendment was dumb.
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In fairness, back in 2016 he could not have appreciated that people were going to start holding him to account. His ego loved being President, loved it. But you could tell he never bought in to it intellectually. Never had a real policy course, just did what his advisers told him would get him more money and accolades, to feed his ego.

If wins again, any lobbyist should start off any proposal with that hook, e.g. "This is how snail preservation at the Wateekee River damn will get you applause at the next rally." He'll just stamp it approved.
 
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Those all wrapped around the axle over Trump’s taking the 5th, do you know how many people have been wrongly convicted because a prosecutor/law enforcement agency twisted their words or sowed doubt during interviews, depositions and testimony? I don’t know how many, but y’all must think it’s ZERO. If it’s not cut and dry, if there is grey area, one would be very wise to keep their mouth shut. Yeah, yeah, I know what Trump said. Who gaf? It’s the smart play regardless.
 
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MontyPython said:
Hmmm... lemme follow your logic...

If you are innocent, you can still be entrapped if you tell a lie.

Fair enough.

But, why tell a lie in the first place?

Oh, wait... that would erase 90% of Trump's oral history.

Got it.
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IIRC one of the Trump cronies is in jail after he said he met with a group and left an individual off that group list. So it seems they are willing to nickle and dime Trumpers on partial truths.

The better question is why put yourself in that situation where you might inadvertently lie and wind up in trouble if you could just avoid it?

Its entrapment by the government.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Used to get drinks with another attorney who said he’d replace all his clients chapstick with superglue if he could.

“They have the right to remain silent, they don’t have the ability.”

Literally nothing to see here.
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I get the hypocrisy angle but with Trump this is maybe the 1000th example of hypocrisy so the giddiness seems overdone.
 
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The inevitable "I've been framed!" defense.

Pathetic.

Honestly, listening to Trump whine about his self-inflicted wounds is 100% akin to listening to Russia tell us it's Ukraine's fault for their "special military operation".

 
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LouderVol said:
IIRC one of the Trump cronies is in jail after he said he met with a group and left an individual off that group list. So it seems they are willing to nickle and dime Trumpers on partial truths.

The better question is why put yourself in that situation where you might inadvertently lie and wind up in trouble if you could just avoid it?

Its entrapment by the government.
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But... but... Trump said if you're innocent, you don't plead the 5th!

So so confusing.
 
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Vol737 said:
Those all wrapped around the axle over Trump’s taking the 5th, do you know how many people have been wrongly convicted because a prosecutor/law enforcement agency twisted their words or sowed doubt during interviews, depositions and testimony? I don’t know how many, but y’all must think it’s ZERO. If it’s not cut and dry, if there is grey area, one would be very wise to keep their mouth shut. Yeah, yeah, I know what Trump said. Who gaf? It’s the smart play regardless.
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Of course, it is.

For most of us (and yes, I saw @volinbham 's post), this is not about Trump pleading the 5th. It's about Trump's history of saying stupid things about other people for pleading the 5th. When it comes to hypocrisy, Trump is without peer.
 
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MontyPython said:
But... but... Trump said if you're innocent, you don't plead the 5th!

So so confusing.
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Again only if you believed Trump in the first place. I guess you never called him out in the past over that comment? Or does that hypocrisy not count?
 
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MontyPython said:
The inevitable "I've been framed!" defense.

Pathetic.

Honestly, listening to Trump whine about his self-inflicted wounds is 100% akin to listening to Russia tell us it's Ukraine's fault for their "special military operation".

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I agree his wounds are self-inflicted, you can’t go against one of the most corrupt institutions (the swamp) in the world and expect to come out the other side.
 
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MontyPython said:
The inevitable "I've been framed!" defense.

Pathetic.

Honestly, listening to Trump whine about his self-inflicted wounds is 100% akin to listening to Russia tell us it's Ukraine's fault for their "special military operation".

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Should have let her observe the search.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Of course, it is.

For most of us (and yes, I saw @volinbham 's post), this is not about Trump pleading the 5th. It's about Trump's history of saying stupid things about other people for pleading the 5th. When it comes to hypocrisy, Trump is without peer.
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Except for the rest of DC. Pretty much on equal footing.
 
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LouderVol said:
See once again, So ready to throw out anyone's rights you dont agree with. Who needs to be innocent until actually proven guilty.
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What?????????
Who is throwing out his rights?
But Trump's school girl led chants of "lock her up" with thousands of his worshipers, now that's another thing altogeth.
 
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