Trump to sign national security funding bill, then declare State of Emergency

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carlos86 said:
So your telling me that doctors never over prescribed opioids to patients??? Or didn’t do so because pharmaceuticals were paying extra. This is like when VA doctors we’re that to veterans and they became addicted to painkillers
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The only one responsible for a person becoming an addict is the addict.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No.

Now did the public or the Democrats even say a word otherwise?
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As I understand it, the difference us that there are statutes that expressly forbid doing that. It is also debatable whether its constitutional.

So you can argue whether what Obama did, or others did by executive order, was wise or within the general spirit of separation of powers whereas what Trump is doing is clearly unlawful.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Brilliant.

Along that line: People could probably do a quick Google search and decide if they need an antibiotic, plus a quick online microbiology lesson to decide which one.

Digital x-ray equipment is expensive, but we could maybe install them with a credit card reader at Walmart. In 30 seconds, you could read your own films and fashion a splint, if needed, from popsicle sticks and crazy glue.

With what would now be publicly-available anesthetics and narcotics, surgery would be a breeze at home via YouTube videos.

Phew! In one evening, we've fixed healthcare!
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IMO the only drugs that should be regulated and require a prescription are antibiotics. I think the overprescribing of antibiotics will eventually cause more damage than opioids.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Well, that's a possibility. But, anyone with any sense can probably accurately predict what the news would look like in the days after we allow the general public to walk into Walgreen's and get their opioids of choice to take to the frat party, lake, or road trip for the weekend.
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Chances are they would look pretty similar to what they look like today.
 
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hog88 said:
IMO the only drugs that should be regulated and require a prescription are antibiotics. I think the overprescribing of antibiotics will eventually cause more damage than opioids.
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I go back and forth on antibiotics. But I’m sure you’ve seen me lay that out before.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I understand it, the difference us that there are statutes that expressly forbid doing that. It is also debatable whether its constitutional.

So you can argue whether what Obama did, or others did by executive order, was wise or within the general spirit of separation of powers whereas what Trump is doing is clearly unlawful.
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That’s a load of Bull. You got that backasswards , like it or not Trump is within his rights as President to do it . Now tell me , nah show me where Barry had the right / power to create the Dreamers Act with his pen and phone . You want to screech about banana republics / Dictators ... when the president does some that’s not in his power to do , even admitting it’s not , but does it anyway and is allowed to do it ... that’s way more dangerous than anything Trump has done so far .
 
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hog88 said:
IMO the only drugs that should be regulated and require a prescription are antibiotics. I think the overprescribing of antibiotics will eventually cause more damage than opioids.
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So you think that if a drug can cause long term societal damage it should be regulated. That's pretty much what everyone believes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Based on what? Anyone who wants these drugs can already find them. Why would use increase?

No one is waiting for legality to slam opanna. “That person doesn’t exist”
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That's just 100% flat out wrong, so your whole philosophy is built on the foundation of an incorrect assumption.

Take a million kids at parties across the nation that have a friend come to them and say "hey take this, it's great".
If it's illegal, a greater number of that one million will say no thanks than will if it is legal.
Legality gives people, especially the young, a greater assurance that it can't be bad.
Illegality gives people, especially the young, a greater assurance that it must be bad.
Twist it and turn it anyway you wish but it does not change those basic truths.

There are things that you don't do for the simple fact that it is illegal to do.
 
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luthervol said:
That's just 100% flat out wrong, so your whole philosophy is built on the foundation of an incorrect assumption.

Take a million kids at parties across the nation that have a friend come to them and say "hey take this, it's great".
If it's illegal, a greater number of that one million will say no thanks than will if it is legal.
Legality gives people, especially the young, a greater assurance that it can't be bad.
Illegality gives people, especially the young, a greater assurance that it must be bad.
Twist it and turn it anyway you wish but it does not change those basic truths.

There are things that you don't do for the simple fact that it is illegal to do.
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You must live in a delusional bubble.
 
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luthervol said:
Sure sounded like it. Care to clarify?
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Sure, overprescribing-overuse of antibiotics has lead to superbugs that one day might wipe out vast swaths of humanity. I don’t care how many junkies you have slamming **** every day they don’t pose a risk to humanities survival.
 
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luthervol said:
It only looks that way from the inside looking out.
How about pointing out the delusional parts.
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Laws or regulations don’t stop people from doing drugs, I think we have enough proof of that we don’t need to argue that point.
 
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I think this is great.
The courts will be forced to look at the case. Either we have an emergency at our southern border or we don’t. Based on current law and statistics I think there is a good case for it. This isn’t the first time a national emergency has been called.
 
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hog88 said:
Sure, overprescribing-overuse of antibiotics has lead to superbugs that one day might wipe out vast swaths of humanity. I don’t care how many junkies you have slamming **** every day they don’t pose a risk to humanities survival.
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So YOU view antibiotics as needing regulation because otherwise it threatens society. Got it.
If someone views opiates as needing regulation because otherwise it threatens society, they are wrong or misguided?
You have to see that both you and the other person are basing your views on the same criteria. Which is perfectly okay and understandable.
Just acknowledge the fact.
It's not that you're some "it's all about personal responsibility" guy and they are some "let government control everything" person.
It's just a disagreement on where exactly to draw the necessary line.
 
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Roustabout said:
I think this is great.
The courts will be forced to look at the case. Either we have an emergency at our southern border or we don’t. Based on current law and statistics I think there is a good case for it. This isn’t the first time a national emergency has been called.
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If there is any portion of the wall that actually gets started because of Trump declaring a national emergency, which is doubtful, construction will be halted the minute someone else is in office.
 
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luthervol said:
That's just 100% flat out wrong, so your whole philosophy is built on the foundation of an incorrect assumption.

Take a million kids at parties across the nation that have a friend come to them and say "hey take this, it's great".
If it's illegal, a greater number of that one million will say no thanks than will if it is legal.
Legality gives people, especially the young, a greater assurance that it can't be bad.
Illegality gives people, especially the young, a greater assurance that it must be bad.
Twist it and turn it anyway you wish but it does not change those basic truths.

There are things that you don't do for the simple fact that it is illegal to do.
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I’m not convinced you were ever a kid. To “kids at a party” as you’re describing, being illegal=cool. Or whatever the kids say these days
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’m not convinced you were ever a kid. To “kids at a party” as you’re describing, being illegal=cool. Or whatever the kids say these days
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Not only was a once a kid but I have 3 of my own, the youngest is 15.
And to top it off, I have a career that brings me into contact with a bunch of kids and allows me to see first hand how these things play out.
It's possible my perspective may be even better than yours.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Brilliant.

Along that line: People could probably do a quick Google search and decide if they need an antibiotic, plus a quick online microbiology lesson to decide which one.

Digital x-ray equipment is expensive, but we could maybe install them with a credit card reader at Walmart. In 30 seconds, you could read your own films and fashion a splint, if needed, from popsicle sticks and crazy glue.

With what would now be publicly-available anesthetics and narcotics, surgery would be a breeze at home via YouTube videos.

Phew! In one evening, we've fixed healthcare!
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I chuckled.
 
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