Trump to sign national security funding bill, then declare State of Emergency

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Septic said:
And the R's had TWO YEARS to trot this out and expose them on the record AND DIDN'T. There is no tiptoeing around that with shiny "bbbbuuuutttt obama" or "bangahziiii!!!" trinkets.

The dealmaker in chief keeps getting his ass handed to him.
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The Senate was never filabuster proof. He never had carte blanche to do what he wants to do. The fact is the Democrats have been obstructionist since he was elected and you know this. This is exactly why you strawmaned the Obama stuff in your post.
 
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utvolpj said:
I see no emergency but this is a very subjective issue. I understand why you are unwilling to provide an answer to such a simple question though. It's telling
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What’s telling is your inability to wait and see what the emergency is , instead you are already churning up the polical rhetoric .

Questions - has Trump declared a national emergency yet ? Is he just throwing it out there as chum or to see what wil be said ? I’m not a hand wringer . So I don’t assume anything . I gave you my thoughts on when it should be used and what I believe it’s in there for.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
The Senate was never filabuster proof. He never had carte blanche to do what he wants to do. The fact is the Democrats have been obstructionist since he was elected and you know this. This is exactly why you strawmaned the Obama stuff in your post.
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They never tried is the point. Because Mcconnel knew he'd never get the support from his own damn side, instead they wait and try to pin the failure on the Dem's. This isn't rocket surgery my man.

Also, strawman? You brought up Obama, not me.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I don't love doing it this way but none of you whined when barry went around Congress, so what goes around comes around. Second, when the other side is determined to have open borders someone has to lead and act on securing them
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Trump needs to lead and declaring a national emergency over the wall is not leadership.

He could win a lot of support by simply having a presidential address, announce that in teh interest of cooperation he is going to sign this bill even though he doesn't like it because x,y,z. Also announce that he is not going to declare an emergency and do a constitutional end-a-round like his predecessors because he believes in the rule of law. Lay out the case (rightly/wrongly) how the Democrats are more interested in illegal immigrants than border security and he will continue to press them for funding.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Move to England and give it a try. We tried that, didn't work, got pissed, revolted and here we are because it didn't work for us.

But feel free to apply for emigration. Unless you would prefer to hop over the border and live there illegally. Let's see how understanding they are about your "muh feelz were hurt by Trump!" refugee status.
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Parliamentary democracy is pretty far from monarchy. I'd probably take Germany over England as far as it goes. I don't like monarchs. Prime ministers might be superior to presidents, though.

I'd think you might consider moving to 1700s England since you seem to have a preference for having all power concentrated in the executive, which is what a monarchy is.
 
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utvolpj said:
Likely no one cares because these weren't huge, public campaign promises. They also weren't being declared to make up for the complete inability to get it done within the confines of govt.
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I can't really blame Trump on the campaign promise aspect. Its not like he proposed something that didn't exist at all. He just made it a point, and the Democrats suddenly rallied against it, after supporting the biggest builder of the wall in Obama.

its political theater on both sides. Its not an issue, it wasn't an issue, and it shouldn't be an issue. the only reason it is, is because of politics.

Trump is totally to blame if he goes national emergency route, for the act of using it, and the fact that it isn't an emergency. he isn't to blame for the situation that led to him doing it.
 
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Septic said:
They never tried is the point. Because Mcconnel knew he'd never get the support from his own damn side, instead they wait and try to pin the failure on the Dem's. This isn't rocket surgery my man.

Also, strawman? You brought up Obama, not me.
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Go quote that for me, old enlightened one? I don't recall ever mentioning Obama other that to say that Pelosi supported the wall when Obama was for it. Straw away, my man.
 
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volfanjustin said:
When it's your guy with the pen and phone, no problem. When it's the other side's guy: whine cry constitution (funny now the left cares about it) blah blah blah. Give me a damn break
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to defeat your enemy, you have become your enemy.

If you support Trump in this you can no longer pretend to care about the Constitution.
 
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jvol1 said:
Parliamentary democracy is pretty far from monarchy. I'd probably take Germany over England as far as it goes. I don't like monarchs. Prime ministers might be superior to presidents, though.

I'd think you might consider moving to 1700s England since you seem to have a preference for having all power concentrated in the executive, which is what a monarchy is.
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So, you have no idea how their system works.

Got it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Go quote that for old enlightened one? I don't recall ever mentioning Obama other that to say that Pelosi supported the wall when Obama was for it. Straw away, my man.
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So you did bring him up, I'm glad we can agree on that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So, you have no idea how their system works.

Got it.
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What are you even talking about? I'm advocating a system with the executive branch being subordinate to the legislative branch. You're the one that's blathering on about foggy ol' England ruled by jolly King George.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This "national emergency" tactic is going to get stuck in the courts forever.
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I actually think this will be expedited through the courts. They will ask the federal courts for a stay of the national emergency order. The courts will grant it because the admit will fail the prove to the courts that there is indeed a national emergency at the border.
 
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jvol1 said:
What are you even talking about? I'm advocating a system with the executive branch being subordinate to the legislative branch. You're the one that's blathering on about foggy ol' England ruled by jolly King George.
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Go ahead and tell me exactly what powers the monarchy has in the united Kingdom these days.
 
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37L1 said:
The fire has been burning for more than two years. Finally somebody is trying to do something about it. Prior Presidents and Congress have refused to do anything since the reform of 1986, where amnesty was given along with the "guarantee" that the border would be secured.

Guess which part didn't happen.

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700 miles out of 2000 was built previously. Trump has built zero.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Go ahead and tell me exactly what powers the monarchy has in the united Kingdom these days.
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I would assume the powers of the monarchy are largely subordinated to the parliament. Not that it really has anything to do with what I'm talking about.
 
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