Turkey: Our NATO Ally

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Rasputin_Vol said:
So, is anybody ready to re-evaluate our alliances in the ME yet? Anyone ready to question why we are fighting Syria, but backing this Turkish regime?
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two separate issues, and its funny because we have forced them to (largely) be two separate issues. we have done NONE of the things that Turkey has wanted in regards to Syria.

we could get rid of all of our alliances over there tomorrow and still keep the same plan of action in Syria without contradicting a thing.
 
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LouderVol said:
two separate issues, and its funny because we have forced them to (largely) be two separate issues. we have done NONE of the things that Turkey has wanted in regards to Syria.

we could get rid of all of our alliances over there tomorrow and still keep the same plan of action in Syria without contradicting a thing.
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That is largely because Russia stepped in last September. Before then, ISIS had free reign in Syria, the US bombed sand dunes, and Turkey was draining oil from the region.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is largely because Russia stepped in last September. Before then, ISIS had free reign in Syria, the US bombed sand dunes, and Turkey was draining oil from the region.
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ok just for the point of this one conversation, lets go with this is how it really was all the time.

That is still not all that Turkey wanted to do. they have been calling for full invasion and removal Assad. as far as Assad goes we are taking a much more passive path. If he fails no skin off our back, if he stays in power he stays in power.

put another way, I don't think US involvement changes one bit if Assad is out of the picture. you might see us work more with the new guy (depending on who it is and their views)
 
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LouderVol said:
ok just for the point of this one conversation, lets go with this is how it really was all the time.

That is still not all that Turkey wanted to do. they have been calling for full invasion and removal Assad. as far as Assad goes we are taking a much more passive path. If he fails no skin off our back, if he stays in power he stays in power.

put another way, I don't think US involvement changes one bit if Assad is out of the picture. you might see us work more with the new guy (depending on who it is and their views)
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You don't get it. Why is Assad even in the discussion for overthrow? Why is Syria even on the radar with regards to our foreign policy?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You don't get it. Why is Assad even in the discussion for overthrow? Why is Syria even on the radar with regards to our foreign policy?
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It's funny how we support every other uprising against the government...Ukraine, Syria, Libya, Brazil, Venezuela to just name a few. But, when it happens to our "allies", we support the tyrant...
 
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apparently the turkey coop was poorly planned and never really got off the ground

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volinbham said:
apparently the turkey coop was poorly planned and never really got off the ground
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Yeah, the way it imploded so quickly and the way the government reacted so rapidly rounding up military leaders is interesting, is it not?
 
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Not out of the realm of possibility. The Reichstag fire. The radio station in Poland. The Niggt of the Long Knives. Stalin's wiping out of his officer corps. That's just a few examples of tyrants creating situations to root out potential enemies.
 
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"On social media, reports emerged of people attacking those drinking out in the streets in Istanbul’s traditionally secular district of Kadikoy. And even before the weekend’s events, there were signs that brazen mobs were already enforcing strict Islamist rule. A record shop launching a Radiohead album release in one of Istanbul’s hip neighborhoods, Cihangir, was attacked last month during Ramadan over rumors wine was being served during the holy month."
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You don't get it. Why is Assad even in the discussion for overthrow? Why is Syria even on the radar with regards to our foreign policy?
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For Turkey? 1. Erogdan is a piece of work (putting it very mildly). 2. Assad is a piece of crap. 3. I don't know if their is specific history between the two or who started it, but neither one has been friendly to the other. 4. Generally speaking Assad is pretty anti caliphate, Erogdan is very pro it. Not talking ISIS specific. 5. they are different flavors of Islam, which seems to be a perfectly acceptable reason for killing each other over there. 6. I am sure both sets of "allies" come into play. 7. Assad is fairly "liberal" for the area, and Erogdan is fairly conservative (kinda goes back to earlier points)

for us its pretty clear he isn't on the chopping block (we let the best opportunity slide on by). 6 one way half of dozen the other for if he stays or goes. they are on our radar for any number of vague and probably inconsequential reasons individually. Enemy of our allies, oil, human rights violations, also he has been pretty anti America which puts them up there with the likes of NK (smally yappy dog that might have rabies and keeps nipping at our heals). and then there is the whole ISIS thing, one of those cases of get your house together FAST or we are coming in to do the job for you.
 
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Seems suspicious that they were so easily capable of rounding up 6,000 conspirators in such a short amount of time. As if those lists were already made prior to the coup. All the great dictators have had manufactured crises to justify elimination of opponents.
 
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Dead men tell no tales...

https://www.rt.com/news/351986-turkey-erdogan-death-penalty/

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has not ruled out the possibility of bringing back the death penalty in Turkey, saying that “people on the streets have made that request” and are calling for the punishment of suspected plotters for the attempted military coup.

“There is a clear crime of treason and your request can never be rejected by our government,” Erdogan said in an interview with CNN on Monday, referring to the government supporters who took to the streets of Turkey who voiced approval.

“But of course it will take a parliamentary decision for that to take action in the form of a constitutional measure so leaders will have to get together and discuss it and if they accept to discuss it then I, as president, will approve any decision that comes out of the parliament,” he added.
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Can someone explain to me why they shut the power off to our base over there?

That base hoses roughly 2,000 troops and 50 small nukes.


However, there are reports today that Turkish authorities have shut off access and power to an air base used by US jets bombing Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria as tensions escalate.

The US embassy released a statement saying: "Be advised that local authorities are denying movements on to and off of Incirlik Air Base. The power there has also been cut. Please avoid the air base until normal operations have been
 
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Then there is this...

In an astonishing and reckless attack on the US the Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said that the country considers itself at war with any nation that stands by the US-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen.

He said: "Any country that protects Fethullah Gulen will be an enemy to Turkey."

Moderate cleric Gulen, who lives in Pennsylvania, has been a constant scapegoat for Erdogan who has accused him of trying to establish a “parallel state” to rival his own fiefdom.
 
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Obsessed said:
Can someone explain to me why they shut the power off to our base over there?

That base hoses roughly 2,000 troops and 50 small nukes.


However, there are reports today that Turkish authorities have shut off access and power to an air base used by US jets bombing Islamic State (ISIS) in Syria as tensions escalate.

The US embassy released a statement saying: "Be advised that local authorities are denying movements on to and off of Incirlik Air Base. The power there has also been cut. Please avoid the air base until normal operations have been
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Turkey walking a dangerous line. They better recognize.
 
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Obsessed said:
Then there is this...

In an astonishing and reckless attack on the US the Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said that the country considers itself at war with any nation that stands by the US-based Muslim cleric Fethullah Gulen.

He said: "Any country that protects Fethullah Gulen will be an enemy to Turkey."

Moderate cleric Gulen, who lives in Pennsylvania, has been a constant scapegoat for Erdogan who has accused him of trying to establish a “parallel state” to rival his own fiefdom.
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Obama will have Gulen on the next plane to Turkey
 
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