Tyler Bray still undrafted (merged)

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keckjm said:
The thing is GMs usually gamble and cause QBs to come off the board earlier then what their talent is worth. Teams know the QBs left are huge gambles and they are going to wait to get face value for these guys.
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Maybe it's just me, but your first sentence seems to be arguing with your second sentence.
 
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0StarGeneral said:
Still not sure why we shouldn't be rooting for him to do well. End of the day he played his heart out on the field for the O&W
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No he didn't. In his interview with Gruden he said himself he prepared on a level of a "7-8". His best effort would have motivated him to prepare at a 10. I wish him well but he didn't play his heart out.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
And you know this....how, exactly? I recall Vandy giving Peyton fits every year, with Widenhoffer's exotic blitz schemes. So, based on that, you can surmise that Peyton doesn't know a damn thing about reading defenses? :loco:


The fact of the matter is, Chaney was reading the defenses and calling the plays in. You can't fault Bray for not making calls when the OC takes that option away from him. There is no way in hell for you or anyone outside their QB meetings to know whether Bray knows how to read coverages
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A QB that can read defenses and call the correct audibles, would be given the opportunity to do so. If he can't, the offense will come up to the line, the QB will look to the sideline for the call, and then call the play. Wth do you think the "failure in preparation" statements are all about? His lack of ability of reading progressions is not his only preparation issues. Unless you are right, and the rest of the world is wrong. I've watched him play QB. He sucks with a strong accurate arm.
 
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martyvols said:
No he didn't. In his interview with Gruden he said himself he prepared on a level of a "7-8". His best effort would have motivated him to prepare at a 10. I wish him well but he didn't play his heart out.
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Exactly. Any QB that will hang the phone up on his OC on the sideline during a game is NOT giving his best of anything, but who am I to judge. The NFL is judging him now.
 
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Vol Main said:
That was a big part of Bray's problem and Dooley's problem with a rebuilding team. The two best players on the team, Bray and the Ricky, were so openly contemptuous of authority that they really did subvert Dooley's position and team morale, the whole atmosphere surrounding them. Say what you will, but I don't think that Bray would have bought into Coach Jones either; he didn't even try; he was way too jaded, and Jones was in a much better position than Dooley to take none of that attitude.
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Go ahead and keep defending that piece of garbage Dooley. Keep putting the blame on everyone else but him. I guess his La Tech teams had Tyler Bray type of players too...

Idiotic comments from people like you about him brings home to me just how dumb many of our fans are.
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martyvols said:
No he didn't. In his interview with Gruden he said himself he prepared on a level of a "7-8". His best effort would have motivated him to prepare at a 10. I wish him well but he didn't play his heart out.
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Agreed. I wish Bray well and I hope he has all the success in the world at the NFL level. However I was glad when I heard that he was declaring for the draft. I thought it would be best for the program to have a fresh start at the QB position. New coach, new scheme, new attitude. Sure we'll take our lumps early and often but in the long run I truly believe it's what's best for this program.
 
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There are valid criticisms of Tyler Bray for sure, although I think you have to view all of it through the prism of the complete grease fire he unknowingly walked into when he signed here.
 
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martyvols said:
No he didn't. In his interview with Gruden he said himself he prepared on a level of a "7-8". His best effort would have motivated him to prepare at a 10. I wish him well but he didn't play his heart out.
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Why on earth did he say that knowing GM's will hear about it?
 
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think were finding out what the rest of the world already knew about darick and tyler.

better come to work ready tyler. nfl is a different ball of wax. kids got all world talent, hope he does well.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Sadly the UT has fans who absolutely must revile players if the opportunity even looks like it might present itself. They can't figure out that players are human beings and human beings are fallible. They can't figure out they themselves are nowhere as perfect as they insist our players be. We have too many fans with Jerry Springer syndrome. I disliked a number of things about Tyler myself but understood he was playing on a team that just wasn't all together. That so much was expected, even demanded of him but he lacked the necessary developers we all need to be steered right. That doesn't excuse his numbskulled conduct because we all know right from wrong.

Now, instead of beating the man, too many Vols fans choose, yes, I said choose to forget his upsides. When Kiffin's pet gorilla was calling players to decommit and not EE, even some to follow them to USCw, Tyler rejected them. He said he thought it was low class to do such a thing. Yeah, Bray! But at the very first chance, those same Yeah Bray people condemn him to below the Devil's Hell if he so much as blew his nose and no snot emerged. He stuck around despite all the disappointments in a football program that had utterly lost its way. And we still have people spewing rabid venom at the kid. Bray is faulty in a number of ways. But I also believe he will grow up more and be a fine pro quarterback. My only negative comment on his future is that he not go to the Jets because that team will put him right back into dysfunctionality that existed at the UT during his time here. The people who vilify him should stop and think about their behavior with Adrian Foster who came back for him senior year and derailed. I still marvel that he showed up for the recent O&W game after all the hate spewed at him by fans over the years. But then this shows what kind of forgiving person he is compared to the terrestrial gastropod mollusk type of fans.
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This is all true. My only real problem with Bray is that he gave off the I don't care/ laid back demeanor. Which I'm sure he cared very deeply about the team but it frustrated me as a fan sometimes when he didn't show it. There were times where it felt like he just wanted to go with the flow and follow the pack instead of making the pack follow him. Your right though at the end of the day it's a game and nobody is perfect, and I don't think he ever said one bad thing about the university or one of his teammates. I wish his time here was better as far as wins go, because he is a talented qb.
 
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GAVol said:
There are valid criticisms of Tyler Bray for sure, although I think you have to view all of it through the prism of the complete grease fire he unknowingly walked into when he signed here.
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Better surroundings definitely would have helped.
 
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Did anyone else watch Gruden's evaluation of Bray? I felt like Gruden cut him apart with a smile. Gruden asked him why he made certain decisions on the field to which he had no good answer. He asked why he didn't return for his senior season to learn and then noted that even Peyton took one final year to hone his skills. The coup de gras came when he told Bray he had all the physical attributes and stated that pro's win from the neck up which essentially highlighted Bray's short comings.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Sadly the UT has fans who absolutely must revile players if the opportunity even looks like it might present itself. They can't figure out that players are human beings and human beings are fallible. They can't figure out they themselves are nowhere as perfect as they insist our players be. We have too many fans with Jerry Springer syndrome. I disliked a number of things about Tyler myself but understood he was playing on a team that just wasn't all together. That so much was expected, even demanded of him but he lacked the necessary developers we all need to be steered right. That doesn't excuse his numbskulled conduct because we all know right from wrong.

Now, instead of beating the man, too many Vols fans choose, yes, I said choose to forget his upsides. When Kiffin's pet gorilla was calling players to decommit and not EE, even some to follow them to USCw, Tyler rejected them. He said he thought it was low class to do such a thing. Yeah, Bray! But at the very first chance, those same Yeah Bray people condemn him to below the Devil's Hell if he so much as blew his nose and no snot emerged. He stuck around despite all the disappointments in a football program that had utterly lost its way. And we still have people spewing rabid venom at the kid. Bray is faulty in a number of ways. But I also believe he will grow up more and be a fine pro quarterback. My only negative comment on his future is that he not go to the Jets because that team will put him right back into dysfunctionality that existed at the UT during his time here. The people who vilify him should stop and think about their behavior with Adrian Foster who came back for him senior year and derailed. I still marvel that he showed up for the recent O&W game after all the hate spewed at him by fans over the years. But then this shows what kind of forgiving person he is compared to the terrestrial gastropod mollusk type of fans.
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"On preparation? 7-8". STFU

Tyler, is that you? Why are you defending a guy that we put through college FOR FREE, while he only gave 70% effort? Huh?
 
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Tyler is a risk. He has a cannon for an arm, a terrible attitude and doesn't appear to be very smart.

Tyler has the ability to be a very good qb but he has way too many negatives.

He is a big question mark.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Butch could have and would have adapted the system to the personel available. Not being a "fit" isn't the best of reasons people.
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Butch would have build the offense around him. You still can fling the rock alot in the Spread. In fact, the way NFL offenses are using it they would love to see a QB that has his passing ability, is a bit slower on the move, but could obtain a few yards running it. He wouldn't be lowering his shoulder and ending up on the shelf like RGIII, Vick, or some of the others. Bray woud get that 5 free open yard and get down. Tom Brady is a perfect example of what an NFL variation of the spread Bray would fit into. Patriots do not run a full spread but do use alot of the formations along with a general pro style offense. Butch is smart this kid would still throw 40 times a game in this system.:clapping:
 
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Gramps said:
Tyler is a risk. He has a cannon for an arm, a terrible attitude and doesn't appear to be very smart.

Tyler has the ability to be a very good qb but he has way too many negatives.

He is a big question mark.
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If we a had coach that would have fixed him there wouldnt be a problem. Dooley had no control over the team. This would have never happened under Fulmer nor with Cutcliff or even Sanders at OC. With Cutcliff this kid would have been a gem. Not to mention if our D was even average we win 3 more games this past year.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
fyp. This is a crappy draft year for QB. It's not the lack of talent overall, as much as it is most teams with needs at QB took care of it in Free Agency. Very few job openings....period.

Never would have thought Tyler Bray and Tyler Wilson would have such a hard time getting drafted. This time last year they were two of the best QB's in the country. What I think is being lost on all the pundits and yourself is that the QB's are getting a lot of the blame for the lackluster seasons their teams had.

Look at all the QB's in the draft. None of them come from a BCS bowl team. NFL teams and pundits tend to attribute success of the program to the QB, and likewise they put too much of a teams misfortune on the QB.

That is why it's viewed as a week QB class. Luck, RGIII, Cam Newton all came from very successful teams. Luck would have been a 3rd-5th Rd pick if his team was 5-7 two years in row.
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HN on the Luck, Cam and RGIII argument. Bray is not in the same class...as of right now.
 
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RoaminVol said:
How in the world did EJ Manuel get drafted before these guys?
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Pretty classic case of measurables becoming more important than on field performance. Manuel is big, strong, athletic; a great, personable, bright kid who interviews well. All that overcame his shortcomings on film IMO.
 
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