Tyler Summitt resigns

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It really doesn't matter if she's pregnant or not, being linked to an inappropriate relationship with a player is the ultimate cardinal sin. There's no way he can recover from that even if it was a consensual affair he's done coaching at the college level i.e. Pokey Chatman.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
A law does not have to be broken for someone to be a victim. A relationship cannot truly be consensual when it is between a person wielding power and his/her subordinate. In the back of her mind, there will always be the thoughts of the consequences and repercussions if she were to say no. Their age differences and genders are not relevant. What is at issue here is that Tyler was in a position of power over the player(s) with whom he had a relationship.
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How do you know he pursued her? She could have been the aggressor since she followed him to another school. You are assuming a lot here to make her out a be victim.

I'll with hold an opinion at this point until more facts come to light. If she is a victim then he should be dealt with accordingly. If not then she owns a lot of resonsibility also.
 
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LA Vol said:
I must have missed the part where he used his position of power and privilege to force her to transfer to La Tech, then threatened to cut her from the team if she didn't have sex with him. Guess I also missed the part where she filed a complaint or reported this to, well, anybody.
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Were they involved at Marquette? I do not know. But I do think it would be an abuse of power if a coach were to offer his mistress a payment of school funds (in the form of a full scholarship at LA Tech) if she were to follow him to his new job. I am not saying that happened in this case. The details have yet to come out. My point is that a coach has the power to do a lot of things for a subordinate (financially and otherwise) if she complies with his wishes. A coach is going to treat a player who shares his bed differently than one who does not. That is the reason such relationships are forbidden at most institutions across this country.
 
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This is why men should not coach women and vice versa. I may be in the minority but I'm surprised we don't hear more of stuff like this happening. If men and women were suppose to play sports together then there wouldn't be separate men's and women's athletics. Take the Olympics for instance. They all hook up at the Olympic Village. Could you imagine that 24/7? There would be sexual lawsuits out the a$$.
 
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LA Vol said:
I must have missed the part where he used his position of power and privilege to force her to transfer to La Tech, then threatened to cut her from the team if she didn't have sex with him. Guess I also missed the part where she filed a complaint or reported this to, well, anybody.
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Says the guy sleeping with his secretary
 
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yoyoyoyo said:
How do you know he pursued her? She could have been the aggressor since she followed him to another school.
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How (not why) do you think she ended up at LA Tech? Did she drive there on her own dime to stalk him? Who do you think offered her a full scholarship to relocate to LA Tech to be with him?
 
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VolPack22 said:
This is why men should not coach women and vice versa. I may be in the minority but I'm surprised we don't hear more of stuff like this happening. If men and women were suppose to play sports together then there wouldn't be separate men's and women's athletics. Take the Olympics for instance. They all hook up at the Olympic Village. Could you imagine that 24/7? There would be sexual lawsuits out the a$$.
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You are assuming the sexuality of coaches and players if you think that would eliminate it.
 
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VolPack22 said:
This is why men should not coach women and vice versa. I may be in the minority but I'm surprised we don't hear more of stuff like this happening. If men and women were suppose to play sports together then there wouldn't be separate men's and women's athletics. Take the Olympics for instance. They all hook up at the Olympic Village. Could you imagine that 24/7? There would be sexual lawsuits out the a$$.
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Respectfully disagree.

This is simply a case of a 24 year-old kid making mistakes and being driven by impulses that most 24 year-olds aren't mature enough to handle.

What's next? Only male doctors can treat male patients? Only female attorneys can represent females in court? No female pastors unless the entire congregation is 100 % female?
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Yes! Their ages and genders are irrelevant. The issue is that Tyler was in a position of authority and the young lady was his subordinate. Without the words ever being spoken, in situations such as this it is implied that if you want to play, you will submit. If you submit, good things will happen for you on my team. The young lady cannot make an impartial decision about the relationship because there will always be issues of power and privilege involved. This is a very different issue from a married man/woman meeting a girl/guy at a bar and deciding to have a fling. Because of the underlying issues of power and authority, such relationships are forbidden in most schools, universities, workplaces, professions, military, etc.
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This assumes an awful lot. There are many cases where a woman will go after a man and do everything they can to trip him so that they have leverage for money, favors at work etc... I have seen examples of that dynamic pretty much everywhere I have worked. Just because one person is in the nominal role of subordinate doesn't mean they are automatically the victim. They have much less to lose and much more to gain.

In this case for instance what would have been the upside for her? She could have gotten more playing time. She could have possibly snagged him away from his wife after graduation and had an easy life. Against this she risked very little or nothing.

And what did he have to gain? A roll in the hay? Some excitement? Very little of any substance or lasting value. While at the same time he risked everything for her. And he lost. I am not saying that is what happened. But I am saying that the dynamics you describe are not the only ones which could have obtained here.

It doesn't make any of it right, but if you know anything about human nature you know this sort of thing goes both ways.

And of course, they might just have fallen for each other.

Employers forbid these relationships for good reasons, but not just the ones you listed.
 
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Feel sorry for Pat on this one... she was defined by principles and honesty, he not.... hope he's good in sales or something. ....
 
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VolPack22 said:
This is why men should not coach women and vice versa. I may be in the minority but I'm surprised we don't hear more of stuff like this happening. If men and women were suppose to play sports together then there wouldn't be separate men's and women's athletics.
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How did that work out for Pokey Chatman?
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Were they involved at Marquette? I do not know. But I do think it would be an abuse of power if a coach were to offer his mistress a payment of school funds (in the form of a full scholarship at LA Tech) if she were to follow him to his new job. I am not saying that happened in this case. The details have yet to come out. My point is that a coach has the power to do a lot of things for a subordinate (financially and otherwise) if she complies with his wishes. A coach is going to treat a player who shares his bed differently than one who does not. That is the reason such relationships are forbidden at most institutions across this country.
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His resignation was justified, but so far, there is no evidence that she was a victim. It appears to be a case of consensual sex between a 25-year-old and a 22-year-old. I don't see a blatant abuse of power unless he coerced her or threatened her if she refused to have sex with him. She could have reported it if she felt pressured in any way... but either of them could have initiated or encouraged a sexual relationship. Without evidence to the contrary, this doesn't appear to be a predatory or coercive situation-- just poor judgment on both sides.
 
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Just horrible. Shame on him. I'm far less concerned about the adultery than I am about the relationship with a player. People cheat on their spouses ALL THE TIME. Coaches should NOT engage in sexual conduce with players they coach. THAT is horrible. The adultery - meh.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
How (not why) do you think she ended up at LA Tech? Did she drive there on her own dime to stalk him? Who do you think offered her a full scholarship to relocate to LA Tech to be with him?
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A "victim" is someone that doesn't have way out, feels trapped, being used without their knowledge, etc. such child abuse or adult rape. Not the case here. You assume it happened at Marquette. If it did then why go to LaTech? Go play elsewhere in a good situation. If she follows of her own free will then she's complicit. You are describing a quid pro quo (trading sex playing time) not a victim situation.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
A law does not have to be broken for someone to be a victim. A relationship cannot truly be consensual when it is between a person wielding power and his/her subordinate. In the back of her mind, there will always be the thoughts of the consequences and repercussions if she were to say no. Their age differences and genders are not relevant. What is at issue here is that Tyler was in a position of power over the player(s) with whom he had a relationship.
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You're assuming it was Tyler who initiated moving the relationship from coach-student/athlete to a sexual one. LA Tech hired Tyler away from Marquette when he was still 23 years old. Basically the same age as the young ladies who are seniors he was coaching.

It may well be she started it all. After all, she transferred from Marquette when he left there and she did not have to. Now, there are at least three ways to read that action. She followed him there because she liked the direction she percieved their relationship to be going, and hoped to further that. Or a relationship already existed.
Or she believed following him and having a relationship could further her sports career. (You feel free to add others). Of course, the predatory coach one. But LA Tech players were uneasy with the hire because he was, "basically our age".
None of this, if true, absolutely none, excuses cheating on his high school sweetheart whom he married. Nor does it excuse his actions as the coach. It does however, possibly make it more understandable.
 
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UTLadyvolsfan said:
Just horrible. Shame on him. I'm far less concerned about the adultery than I am about the relationship with a player. People cheat on their spouses ALL THE TIME. Coaches should NOT engage in sexual conduce with players they coach. THAT is horrible. The adultery - meh.
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Good grief, is this from upside down world?

I am certain a marital relationship should be held more sacred than a coach player relationship.
 
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yoyoyoyo said:
You are assuming the sexuality of coaches and players if you think that would eliminate it.
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I was going to make the same point.

On the other hand one must also acknowledge that it would cut the potential for a problem down by a substantial amount given how low the percentage of gay people is within the population. It is higher amongst female athletes, but still there would be far fewer opportunities for this sort of interaction.

I would oppose such a move, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be effective to at least some extent.
 
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foreshadowing?
Swish Appeal ‏@SwishAppeal · 30 May 2014
Brooklyn Pumroy & Ashley Santos have transferred from Marquette to join Tyler Summitt at LaTech
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Good luck in insurance sales. Or HT Hackney
 
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Jim Dabbelt ‏@JDabbs86 · 2 Dec 2014

Former Fairborn star Brooklyn Pumroy will be part of a 60 Minutes on Sports feature on Tyler Summitt tonight at 10pm on Showtime.
 
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Four of the newest Lady Techsters: Brooklyn Pumroy, Ashley Santos, Tiffany Murdock, Tiara Davenport
 
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