Tyrann Mathieu

[NashVol11]

Trust me you would be talking about TM all day if he were wearing orange, don't lie and say you wouldn't. He has been a great player for the number snaps he has actually played so far. I actually don't believe TM will translate very well to the next level but he is pretty damn sharp at this level.

We wouldn't be talking about him like he's better than Eric Berry, because in terms of coverage, tackling, speed, interceptions, pretty much anything you would measure in a DB, he's not. I don't see how you argue that.

 

[rockytop9808]

Didn't Berry play SS?*

Why do you come out on a board if you don't wish to hear others point of view. The clear fact is you're a fanboy, nobody likes a fanboy, why? Because they are stupid. Be a fan not a fanboy.

The simple truth is nobody has generated the turnovers that the kid has in the amount of snaps he has been on the field. You are more than welcome to enter a thread on TM and state Berry is better, why even do it?

You are entitled to your opinion but I don't see what it adds to the thread. I think Blue is pretty than Green BTW. That really doesn't add anything of value in my opinion.

Trust me you would be talking about TM all day if he were wearing orange, don't lie and say you wouldn't. He has been a great player for the number snaps he has actually played so far. I actually don't believe TM will translate very well to the next level but he is pretty damn sharp at this level.

When Tennessee's battered receiving corps is burning your ass on the few long long pass plays the damn team can muster and dragging you halfway across the field like a 10 lb sack of potatoes, you aren't worth jack.

 

[LSU-SIU]

When Tennessee's battered receiving corps is burning your ass on the few long long pass plays the damn team can muster and dragging you halfway across the field like a 10 lb sack of potatoes, you aren't worth jack.

You are delusional. Yeah I am sure you wouldn't want TM on your team, I am sorry your team is not doing so good but that is neither TM's or my fault.

If you didn't want TM on your team you would be the biggest idiot. END OF STORY.

Been on these forums for years, instead of talking about how your team can improve, instead you take the opposite approach, talk about how bad everyone else is. I hope that gets you some place in life, I doubt it. Good luck and all.

 

[LSU-SIU]

We wouldn't be talking about him like he's better than Eric Berry, because in terms of coverage, tackling, speed, interceptions, pretty much anything you would measure in a DB, he's not. I don't see how you argue that.

I said he is a turnover machine. You are making a strawman argument and then expect me to fall into your strawman trap.

 

[rockytop9808]

You are delusional. Yeah I am sure you wouldn't want TM on your team, I am sorry your team is not doing so good but that is neither TM's or my fault.

If you didn't want TM on your team you would be the biggest idiot. END OF STORY.

Been on these forums for years, instead of talking about how your team can improve, instead you take the opposite approach, talk about how bad everyone else is. I hope that gets you some place in life, I doubt it. Good luck and all.

Point to where I said I wouldn't take him on my team, and you'd have a semblance of a point.

I'm 5'8, chubby, and slow, and I could benefit Tennessee's secondary. That doesn't make me comparable to Eric Berry.

 

[ob79]

Didn't Berry play SS?*

And corner, and roving LB, and a little FS.

You can throw out stats all you like but I saw Mathieu get beat like a rag doll 3 times by D. Rogers.

Berry rarely got beat.

 

[ob79]

You are delusional. Yeah I am sure you wouldn't want TM on your team, I am sorry your team is not doing so good but that is neither TM's or my fault.

If you didn't want TM on your team you would be the biggest idiot. END OF STORY.

Been on these forums for years, instead of talking about how your team can improve, instead you take the opposite approach, talk about how bad everyone else is. I hope that gets you some place in life, I doubt it. Good luck and all.

Any Vol fan who wouldn't take Mathieu on this team is probably toking the same stuff he got busted for a few weeks back.

That being said...I just listed the only valid reason why someone wouldn't want him.

 

[NashVol11]

I said he is a turnover machine. You are making a strawman argument and then expect me to fall into your strawman trap.

No traps here. I literally don't see any area of the game where Mathieu is actually better and you haven't provided one. You keep talking about turnovers and big plays but by the end of his sophomore season, Berry had 12 picks and (like I said) the SEC record for yardage off of them. Mathieu has 4...

 

[NashVol11]

You are delusional. Yeah I am sure you wouldn't want TM on your team, I am sorry your team is not doing so good but that is neither TM's or my fault.

If you didn't want TM on your team you would be the biggest idiot. END OF STORY.

I have literally not seen a single poster in this thread say this. But speaking of strawman arguments, there's a slight difference between "he would help our team" and "there has never been anyone like him; he's better than a unanimous first team All-American even though he's slower, worse in coverage and worse at tackling." Just a slight gap.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I have literally not seen a single poster in this thread say this. But speaking of strawman arguments, there's a slight difference between "he would help our team" and "there has never been anyone like him; he's better than a unanimous first team All-American even though he's slower, worse in coverage and worse at tackling." Just a slight gap.

I have only seen a hand full of balls caught against him, you have not seen their games.

No, there has not been anyone like him. That does not mean he will continue at this pace for another 2.5 years.

He is the best tackler on LSU, leads the team even with one less game. I think you need to sit down and watch the boy because it's clear you have not.

Look I am sorry you frustrated and all, but you will hear week in and week out the TV announcers saying he is the best player on the field. Of course your entitled to your own opinion but I would guess you would not have the same opinion if he were wearing Orange.

 

[005]

I think Claiborne is just as good of a cornerback as Mathieu is. And they're both good. Mathieu flies around and makes plays, but he's nowhere near Berry's level. That's just a fact.

 

[NashVol11]

I have only seen a hand full of balls caught against him, you have not seen their games.

No, there has not been anyone like him. That does not mean he will continue at this pace for another 2.5 years.

He is the best tackler on LSU, leads the team even with one less game. I think you need to sit down and watch the boy because it's clear you have not.

Look I am sorry you frustrated and all, but you will hear week in and week out the TV announcers saying he is the best player on the field. Of course your entitled to your own opinion but I would guess you would not have the same opinion if he were wearing Orange.

So, to be clear, are you saying he's better in coverage than Berry? I don't give a damn if he leads LSU in tackles; you're saying he's a better tackler than Eric Berry getting dragged for 10 yards? Where exactly is he better? Still waiting...

And once again, your assertion that I would consider him better than Eric Berry if he played for Tennessee is absolutely ludicrous. I would bet thousands that the announcers you keep referencing would agree with me. You don't think anyone ever called Berry the best player on the field? Seriously?

 

[NashVol11]

I have only seen a hand full of balls caught against him, you have not seen their games.

No, there has not been anyone like him. That does not mean he will continue at this pace for another 2.5 years.

He is the best tackler on LSU, leads the team even with one less game. I think you need to sit down and watch the boy because it's clear you have not.

Look I am sorry you frustrated and all, but you will hear week in and week out the TV announcers saying he is the best player on the field. Of course your entitled to your own opinion but I would guess you would not have the same opinion if he were wearing Orange.

You keep telling me areas in which Mathieu is good, which is cool and all except that you're comparing him to the best DB to come through the SEC in the past decade.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You keep telling me areas in which Mathieu is good, which is cool and all except that you're comparing him to the best DB to come through the SEC in the past decade.

I disagree with your complete statement. You keep saying I am comparing, no you keep comparing. As far as my opinion as the best DB to come through the SEC in the past decade, I prefer Peterson before that you probably have Champ Bailey but that is my opinion.

 

[Lexvol]

TM would start on any team in the country. The whole argument screams full retard.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

I've never seen Eric Berry get skull dragged down the field for 10 yards. It may have happened, and I could be wrong. But doubt it.

 

[NashVol11]

I disagree with your complete statement. You keep saying I am comparing, no you keep comparing. As far as my opinion as the best DB to come through the SEC in the past decade, I prefer Peterson before that you probably have Champ Bailey but that is my opinion.

It's been more than a decade since Bailey. Peterson was great in coverage but didn't have to mask as many of his team's weaknesses as Berry did in 2009. Berry was basically a LB/S/CB and was great at each one.

 

[NashVol11]

I've never seen Eric Berry get skull dragged down the field for 10 yards. It may have happened, and I could be wrong. But doubt it.

People also forget about some of Da'Rick's other catches because he simply threw Mathieu down on the ground and didn't have to worry about dragging him. Before that, he got burned by Rajion Neal--who has been playing the position for all of a few months now.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's been more than a decade since Bailey. Peterson was great in coverage but didn't have to mask as many of his team's weaknesses as Berry did in 2009. Berry was basically a LB/S/CB and was great at each one.

Disagree.

Best cover DB, in my opinion. Of course, TM has only started 7 games, much to learn.
Peterson>Berry>TM

Best play-maker ie turnovers, in my opinion.
TM>Berry>Peterson

Player with the needed skills to exceed at the next level
Peterson>Berry>>>>>>>>TM

Of course, I hate all this comparison crap, Berry was a great player and was off to a good start in the NFL.

As far as physical ability Peterson is a freak, TM is just super aggressive and strong, his overall size will limit him at the next level but at this level he is great. He has made the most of his physical ability. IMHO

Peterson still needs work as well, he is not dominating at the next level, YET, however he did have another punt return for TD last night.

Just my take, you are entitled to your own. I hope this discussion is over.

 

[005]

Don't use "much to learn" to handicap Tyrann. Berry did it from the moment he stepped on the field, better, and more often, than Mathieu.

It's been over since anyone in their right mind tried to say Mathieu is better than Berry, trust me.

 

[tvols75]

Disagree.

Best cover DB, in my opinion. Of course, TM has only started 7 games, much to learn.
Peterson>Berry>TM

Best play-maker ie turnovers, in my opinion.
TM>Berry>Peterson

Player with the needed skills to exceed at the next level
Peterson>Berry>>>>>>>>TM

Of course, I hate all this comparison crap, Berry was a great player and was off to a good start in the NFL.

As far as physical ability Peterson is a freak, TM is just super aggressive and strong, his overall size will limit him at the next level but at this level he is great. He has made the most of his physical ability. IMHO

Peterson still needs work as well, he is not dominating at the next level, YET, however he did have another punt return for TD last night.

Just my take, you are entitled to your own. I hope this discussion is over.

You do realize that Berry was voted one of the top NFL players by his peers after his rookie season, right? And you also realize that Peterson is so great that when Boldin kept burning the Cardinals yesterday that no change was made to put Peterson on him. Wonder why?

 

[DrunkJohnny]

Disagree.

Best cover DB, in my opinion. Of course, TM has only started 7 games, much to learn.
Peterson>Berry>TM

Best play-maker ie turnovers, in my opinion.
TM>Berry>Peterson

Player with the needed skills to exceed at the next level
Peterson>Berry>>>>>>>>TM

Of course, I hate all this comparison crap, Berry was a great player and was off to a good start in the NFL.

As far as physical ability Peterson is a freak, TM is just super aggressive and strong, his overall size will limit him at the next level but at this level he is great. He has made the most of his physical ability. IMHO

Peterson still needs work as well, he is not dominating at the next level, YET, however he did have another punt return for TD last night.

Just my take, you are entitled to your own. I hope this discussion is over.

hmy:

 

[RikidyBones]

Don't use "much to learn" to handicap Tyrann. Berry did it from the moment he stepped on the field, better, and more often, than Mathieu.

It's been over since anyone in their right mind tried to say Mathieu is better than Berry, trust me.

Pick 6 against Florida his freshman year. Anyone who says tyrann is better at berry in anything is a moron.
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[VolNExile]

Point to where I said I wouldn't take him on my team, and you'd have a semblance of a point.

I'm 5'8, chubby, and slow, and I could benefit Tennessee's secondary. That doesn't make me comparable to Eric Berry.

I lol'd :lol:

 

[DrunkJohnny]

How in the hell is TM a better play-maker than Berry? 14 INT for Berry, 4 for TM

TM has returned his turnovers for about 50 yards total, EB is sitting at 494 yards. Has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever read here.