Tyrann Mathieu

#76
#76
LSU-SIU said:
Of course not, you don't watch the game, TM is not in coverage, nor has he been a starter even remotely as long. Look you can be a fanboy all you want but I am sorry but I am not going to change my mind.
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So you've been proven wrong through multiple stats yet you still are saying that both of the players that are from LSU are better than Berry simply because they "just are." Sound logic and reasoning there....
 
#77
#77
VKAman said:
Steve Smith had 178 yards and two touchdowns in that game. Shutdown coverage.

From October 21:


He's not going to be a Pro Bowl returner in a conference with Devin Hester, and that would do literally nothing to help your argument anyway.
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I have no argument, it's my opinion, if you don't like it that is fine. SS had a great game, not all those yards were on Peterson as I watched the game as I live in Charlotte.
 
#78
#78
Through_The_T said:
So you've been proven wrong through multiple stats yet you still are saying that both of the players that are from LSU are better than Berry simply because they "just are." Sound logic and reasoning there....
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I never said what you just said I said, learn to read.

Actually I hate the stat game. As far as I have seen, I have seen nobody like TM as far as turnovers, stats or no stats. If you disagree I am fine with that.

Actually I said if I were to pick them for the next level I would go:
Peterson>Berry>>>>>>>>TM
 
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#79
#79
LSU-SIU said:
TM didn't start last year, he was behind Peterson. TM already has more turnovers than Berry at this point in his career. * saw error, edited.

Berry Stats (3 year starter I believe - 38 games total)
Int 14
FR 4
FF 2
Total 20

Sacks 3.0
TFL 17.5

Mathieu Stats (13 games backup to Peterson/7 starter)
Int 4
FF 9
FR 5
Total 18

Sacks 6.0
TFL 13.5
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Oh, look. There it is again.

Forced fumbles and fumble recoveries are not separate turnovers. Even if we take out Berry's junior year, he has 12 picks and 14 turnovers in 26 games (.54 per), compared to Mathieu's 4 picks and 9 turnovers in 20 (.45).
 
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#80
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VKAman said:
Oh, look. There it is again.

Forced fumbles and fumble recoveries are not separate turnovers. Even if we take out Berry's junior year, he has 12 picks and 14 turnovers in 26 games (.54 per), compared to Mathieu's 4 picks and 9 turnovers in 20 (.45).
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Mathieu did not start 13 of those games, Peterson was on the field. Sorry. And yes FF and recoveries are two stats. Mathieu has 2TD and Berry 3TDs from what I can tell form the stats.
 
#81
#81
LSU-SIU said:
I have no argument, it's my opinion, if you don't like it that is fine. SS had a great game, not all those yards were on Peterson as I watched the game as I live in Charlotte.
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75% completion and 10+ YPA mean nothing to you?
 
#82
#82
LSU-SIU said:
I never said what you just said I said, learn to read.

Actually I hate the stat game. As far as I have seen, I have seen nobody like TM as far as turnovers, stats or no stats. If you disagree I am fine with that.

Actually I said if I were to pick them for the next level I would go:
Peterson>Berry>>>>>>>>TM
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I wasn't quoting you verbatim, but that is essentially what your argument is. Heed your own advice next time and you've yet to prove how it is that Peterson will be better than Berry in the NFL when he's looked sub-par in coverage so far this season....

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LSU-SIU said:
I have no argument, it's my opinion, if you don't like it that is fine.
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#84
#84
Through_The_T said:
I wasn't quoting you verbatim, but that is essentially what your argument is. Heed your own advice next time and you've yet to prove how it is that Peterson will be better than Berry in the NFL when he's looked sub-par in coverage so far this season....
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I have no argument, it's my opinion.

I gave no advice and no I don't have to prove anything, it's an opinion.

I don't see anything to be gained from further discussion on the matter.
 
#85
#85
LSU-SIU said:
Mathieu did not start 13 of those games, Peterson was on the field. Sorry. And yes FF and recoveries are two stats. Mathieu has 2TD and Berry 3TDs from what I can tell form the stats.
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That doesn't mean they are separate turnovers, which is obvious to anyone who's actually thinking. And though Mathieu did start a game last year, if he's better than Berry why wouldn't he have started more?
 
#88
#88
VKAman said:
And though Mathieu did start a game last year, if he's better than Berry why wouldn't he have started more?
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Because the best CB in the country was on the same position, Mathieu was Peterson's backup, duhhhh... like saying why didn't Peyton manning's backup get more playing time. Duhhhh.
 
#90
#90
LSU-SIU said:
Because the best CB in the country was on the same position, Mathieu was Peterson's backup, duhhhh... like saying why didn't Peyton manning's backup get more playing time. Duhhhh.
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I'm no defensive guru but don't many teams play 2 cb's?
 
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#91
#91
LSU-SIU said:
Sorry I don't know how those stats are complied. Very subject to stick a number on one particular player. He is not dominating YET... yet.
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By watching the games...it's not at all subjective when that player is a cornerback.

For reference, the worst YPA in the NFL last year (Kareem Jackson) was 11.1. Peterson's numbers would put him as the 6th-worst corner in the entire league, and 75% completion would probably put him even lower.
 
#92
#92
LSU-SIU said:
Because the best CB in the country was on the same position, Mathieu was Peterson's backup, duhhhh... like saying why didn't Peyton manning's backup get more playing time. Duhhhh.
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Last time I counted there are two starting CBs on a football team.
 
#93
#93
LSU-SIU said:
Because the best CB in the country was on the same position, Mathieu was Peterson's backup, duhhhh... like saying why didn't Peyton manning's backup get more playing time. Duhhhh.
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So the key to LSU's great defense is playing one CB at a time?
 
#95
#95
utvolpj said:
I'm no defensive guru but don't many teams play 2 cb's?
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Ok, if you want to break it down arguable the two best college CBs were on the team, both of which had already been with the program for 3 years. Peterson is a first rounder and Claiborne should go in the first round, what is funny is TM probably won't.

Simply put TM is a play-maker, so much so they actually made a position for him.

Still a great player and yes he is a turnover machine.
 
#97
#97
Through_The_T said:
Details, details. They mean nothing to this guy....
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You don't even know what you are trying to convince me of. Hey LSU-SIU are you saying TM is better than Peyton Manning?

TM has been a great player, anything else and I believe you haven't seen the games.

Alright I am out of here for today, have fun boys and girls.
 
#98
#98
LSU-SIU said:
You don't even know what you are trying to convince me of. Hey LSU-SIU are you saying TM is better than Peyton Manning?

TM has been a great player, anything else and I believe you haven't seen the games.

Alright I am out of here for today, have fun boys and girls.
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There's no point in arguing with a homer who makes outlandish posts like this and can't see talent outside of his own team so you're right, there's nothing else worth discussing with you.
 
#99
#99
LSU-SIU said:
TM didn't start last year, he was behind Peterson. TM already has more turnovers than Berry at this point in his career. * saw error, edited.

Berry Stats (3 year starter I believe - 38 games total)
Int 14
FR 4
FF 2
Total 20

Sacks 3.0
TFL 17.5

Mathieu Stats (13 games backup to Peterson/7 starter)
Int 4
FF 9
FR 5
Total 18

Sacks 6.0
TFL 13.5
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I'm failing to see the logic in your argument. What exactly are you arguing here? You say in one post the Berry is far better than TM, then you list Mathieu's compared to Berry's stats to prove......what exactly?

Is the argument about Berry v. Peterson or Berry v. Mathieu?
 
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