Tyrann Mathieu

[NashVol11]

How in the hell is TM a better play-maker than Berry? 14 INT for Berry, 4 for TM

TM has returned his turnovers for about 50 yards total, EB is sitting at 494 yards. Has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever read here.

Exactly. Repeating abstract things like "play-making" over and over and over and over to support Mathieu don't make them any more true.

 

[ob79]

...and Peterson < Berry.

Period.

 

[LSU-SIU]

You do realize that Berry was voted one of the top NFL players by his peers after his rookie season, right? And you also realize that Peterson is so great that when Boldin kept burning the Cardinals yesterday that no change was made to put Peterson on him. Wonder why?

I failed to see what my comments have to do with the beginning of your rant. As far as Peterson, already becoming the Cardinals best DB although he is not dominating YET. You guys are something else.

 

[LSU-SIU]

How in the hell is TM a better play-maker than Berry? 14 INT for Berry, 4 for TM

TM has returned his turnovers for about 50 yards total, EB is sitting at 494 yards. Has to be one of the most absurd things I've ever read here.

Of course because you are drunk. The amount of plays TM has been on the field compared to anyone else is not even comparable at this point, you do know he was behind Peterson last year right? Funny how you leave out all the FF and recoveries as well. Good stuff. You do know that TM has only started 7 games to get those 4 INTs, right?

You know so little about TM but that is not my fault.

I doubt I am going to change my opinion on the matter.

 

[Through_The_T]

I failed to see what my comments have to do with the beginning of your rant. As far as Peterson, already becoming the Cardinals best DB although he is not dominating YET. You guys are something else.

Your bias is utterly ridiculous....

 

[utvolpj]

Of course because you are drunk. The amount of plays TM has been on the field compared to anyone else is not even comparable at this point, you do know he was behind Peterson last year right? Funny how you leave out all the FF and recoveries as well. Good stuff. You do know that TM has only started 7 games to get those 4 INTs, right?

I am sorry you know so little about TM but that is not my fault.

I am not going to change my opinion on the matter.

well he also left out Berry's FF and recoveries but I'm not sure adding them in will improve your argument. I'm guessing his # of plays is right there with anyone

 

[LSU-SIU]

Your bias is utterly ridiculous....

funny I was thinking the same thing... matter of fact you Vol fans are so uptight that instead of talking about your team you are talking about someone that's been gone for quite a while.

 

[LSU-SIU]

well he also left out Berry's FF and recoveries but I'm not sure adding them in will improve your argument. I'm guessing his # of plays is right there with anyone

Looks like Berry had 3. I don't know about recoveries.

TM held the LSU record for FF and recovers after like his 4th start. I mean you guys are comparing stats for someone that started 38 games to someone that has started 7. I would be surprise if TM gets close to Berry's InT stats but he could easily double if not triple the amount of FF and recoveries as a LSU record.

I hate the stat game, as far as I can tell there hasn't been anyone that has even come close to TM in the turnover department for the # of snaps played.

If I were picking DBs in the draft I would go....
Peterson>Berry>>>>>>>>>>>TM

TM will have limited ability at the next level and has probably maxed out potential.

 

[Through_The_T]

funny I was thinking the same thing... matter of fact you Vol fans are so uptight that instead of talking about your team you are talking about someone that's been gone for quite a while.

I'm not uptight about anything. I can acknowledge superior talent but Patrick Peterson in both college and the NFL (btw, Steve Smith and Cam Newton burned his ass the entire game) and Tyrann Mathieu are not on Berry's level. That's just a fact.

 

[Through_The_T]

Looks like Berry had 3. I don't know about recoveries.

TM held the LSU record for FF and recovers after like his 4th start. I mean you guys are comparing stats for someone that started 38 games to someone that has started 7.

I hate the stat game, as far as I can tell there hasn't been anyone that has even come close to TM in the turnover department for the # of snaps played.

How then do you justify PP also being better than Berry?

 

[utvolpj]

you're also comparing a player that sometimes looked like he was alone to one that is surrounded by the best talent in the country. Easier to play in center field when the qb is getting pressure every down

 

[NashVol11]

As far as Peterson, already becoming the Cardinals best DB although he is not dominating YET. You guys are something else.

Berry made the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

Peterson gave up about 300 of Cam Newton's 422 yards passing against Arizona by himself.

There's a difference.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

Of course because you are drunk. The amount of plays TM has been on the field compared to anyone else is not even comparable at this point, you do know he was behind Peterson last year right? Funny how you leave out all the FF and recoveries as well. Good stuff. You do know that TM has only started 7 games to get those 4 INTs, right?

You know so little about TM but that is not my fault.

I doubt I am going to change my opinion on the matter.

Berry left after 3 years.

I'll give TM next year to make up the 450 return yards he needs, and 10 interceptions to catch up to Berry as a play maker...

Want to wager?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Berry made the Pro Bowl as a rookie.

Peterson gave up about 300 of Cam Newton's 422 yards passing against Arizona by himself.

There's a difference.

No he didn't I watched the game #31 did, and #31 gave up a ton the other day as well... #31 is
Richard Marshall. Peterson gave up a TD to smith on great D, so what, Revis gives up TDs. Berry gives up TDs as well. Actually Peterson could go as a PR if he keeps it up.

 

[NashVol11]

Of course because you are drunk. The amount of plays TM has been on the field compared to anyone else is not even comparable at this point, you do know he was behind Peterson last year right? Funny how you leave out all the FF and recoveries as well. Good stuff. You do know that TM has only started 7 games to get those 4 INTs, right?

You know so little about TM but that is not my fault.

I doubt I am going to change my opinion on the matter.

Wrong. But don't let that stop you.

If those 7 starts are all you want to talk about (and they apparently are, because you bring this up in every post), then Mathieu has two picks.

 

[Through_The_T]

No he didn't I watched the game #31 did, and #31 gave up a ton the other day as well. Peterson gave up a TD to smith, so what, Revis gives up TDs. Berry gives up TDs as well. Actually Peterson could go as a PR if he keeps it up.

I watched the entire game and I can assure you that Patrick Peterson was covering Steve Smith the entire game and he was burned on multiple occasions.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

Wrong. But don't let that stop you.

If those 7 starts are all you want to talk about (and they apparently are, because you bring this up in every post), then Mathieu has two picks.

Eric Berry had 5 INT and 200+ INT return yards his freshman year. I wonder if TM will match that this year, his "first year" playing.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Berry left after 3 years.

I'll give TM next year to make up the 450 return yards he needs, and 10 interceptions to catch up to Berry as a play maker...

Want to wager?

TM didn't start last year, he was behind Peterson. TM already has more turnovers than Berry at this point in his career. * saw error, edited.

Berry Stats (3 year starter I believe - 38 games total)
Int 14
FR 4
FF 2
Total 20

Sacks 3.0
TFL 17.5

Mathieu Stats (13 games backup to Peterson/7 starter)
Int 4
FF 9
FR 5
Total 18

Sacks 6.0
TFL 13.5

 

[NashVol11]

No he didn't I watched the game #31 did, and #31 gave up a ton the other day as well... #31 is
Richard Marshall. Peterson gave up a TD to smith on great D, so what, Revis gives up TDs. Berry gives up TDs as well. Actually Peterson could go as a PR if he keeps it up.

Steve Smith had 178 yards and two touchdowns in that game. Shutdown coverage.

From October 21:

While it's too early to call Peterson a bust, early signs aren't promising for the rookie's chances of avoiding a position switch to safety. Per Pro Football Focus, Peterson has allowed 21-of-28 passes to be completed against him (75%) for 287 yards (10.25 YPA), and a pair of touchdowns.

He's not going to be a Pro Bowl returner in a conference with Devin Hester, and that would do literally nothing to help your argument anyway.

 

[DrunkJohnny]

TM didn't start last year, he was behind Peterson. TM already has more turnovers than Berry.

Berry Stats (3 year starter I believe)
Int 14
FR 4
FF 2
Total 20

Mathieu Stats (13 games backup to Peterson/7 starter)
Int 4
FF 9
FR 5
Total 18

So that's a no on the wager I'm guessing?

 

[DrunkJohnny]

Also Berry played out of position his junior year. Motion to strike that year from the record books.

 

[NashVol11]

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[LSU-SIU]

So that's a no on the wager I'm guessing?

Of course not, you don't watch the game, TM is not in coverage, nor has he been a starter even remotely as long. Look you can be a fanboy all you want but I am sorry but I am not going to change my mind.

 

[utvolpj]

how does sitting behind a guy who is worse than EB help at all?

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's funny that you bolded and underlined it, because it's simply not true. I know counting can be hard for LSU fans, but damn...

What is not true? Funny how you didn't say what is not true, do you not know. If I am wrong you can correct me.