Tyrann Mathieu

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LSU-SIU said:
Sorry I don't know how those stats are complied. Very subject to stick a number on one particular player. He is not dominating YET... yet.
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Aside from what he did in College--which has nothing to do with the NFL--you have no compelling evidence to say that will ever happen.

Berry played at a Pro-Bowl level his first year. He had a rough start through the first few games but began to turn it around after the first four games...

I'll say this...CB is probably the hardest position in football and Patterson has the ability to be a good one, but that doesn't mean that "ability" will translate to results.

Berry is better than Patterson b/c he could play EITHER position at a high level.

Monte Kiffin said he'd never seen a smarter or more fundamentally sound football player in all of his years of coaching when speaking about Berry.

I'd say the guy has seen his share of Elite CB's too.
 
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Listen, the honey badger(whatever the hell that means) has played very well this season. And he has been a play maker for a great and extremely talented defense.

To say TM is a better college football player than Eric Berry was during his time on The Hill is absurd.

TM has more talent surrounding him which makes it easier for him to play his position. Berry was always the most talented guy on the field for UT's defense. Hell, his junior year he practically played LB for the year. Defenses rarely challenged him after his freshman season and when they did he made them pay.

In his three years he played LB, CB, SS, and FS. And made plays at every position. He is the definition of a play maker.
 
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
 
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trevols81 said:
Listen, the honey badger(whatever the hell that means) has played very well this season. And he has been a play maker for a great and extremely talented defense.

To say TM is a better college football player than Eric Berry was during his time on The Hill is absurd.

TM has more talent surrounding him which makes it easier for him to play his position. Berry was always the most talented guy on the field for UT's defense. Hell, his junior year he practically played LB for the year. Defenses rarely challenged him after his freshman season and when they did he made them pay.

In his three years he played LB, CB, SS, and FS. And made plays at every position. He is the definition of a play maker.
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I actually generally agree with you, I still say TM has more playmaking ability but overall I said I would take Berry. Unfortunately, people get their orange panties all in a twist if you don't agree with them exactly how they expect you to agree.

As far as Peterson, not mentioned in your post. I would agree with the espn article. He has played well but needs improvement, not bad for the first 7games.
Where NFC West first-round picks stand - NFC West Blog - ESPN

Heck, I think TM is a much better playmaker than Peterson and yet I would still take Peterson. To me Peterson is the most physically gift player I have seen at CB, whether he will continue to improve is up to him but he has all the tools at 6'1 and 220lbs.+, time will tell.

Patrick Peterson, CB, Arizona Cardinals (5th overall): Peterson has started all seven games. He has one interception and has not yet upgraded the Cardinals' pass defense. Peterson has had problems with penalties, but he generally wasn't the one in coverage when Arizona appeared helpless against Anquan Boldin last week or, for one play, Mike Wallace the previous week. Peterson has dramatically upgraded the Cardinals' punt-return game. His touchdown was the difference in the team's victory against Carolina in the opener. He scored again as the Cardinals nearly upset Baltimore. It's fair to say the Cardinals might be winless without him.
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Hey jmoore, still think UT made a mistake passing on this assclown?
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So EB was a team captain and made the freaking pro bowl his rookie season, while being a top 5 pick in the draft which is unheard of at his position, and this dumbass thinks Patrick Peterson is the better DB? Lol Wut?
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LSU-SIU said:
I actually generally agree with you, I still say TM has more playmaking ability but overall I said I would take Berry. Unfortunately, people get their orange panties all in a twist if you don't agree with them exactly how they expect you to agree.

As far as Peterson, not mentioned in your post. I would agree with the espn article. He has played well but needs improvement, not bad for the first 7games.
Where NFC West first-round picks stand - NFC West Blog - ESPN

Heck, I think TM is a much better playmaker than Peterson and yet I would still take Peterson. To me Peterson is the most physically gift player I have seen at CB, whether he will continue to improve is up to him but he has all the tools at 6'1 and 220lbs.+, time will tell.
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It's not that we don't agree with you because we have our orange tinted glasses on. We don't agree with you because you're dead wrong.
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I expect our cute little Honey Badger to get suspended from LSU's next game by the SEC Office for the gutless thug forearm shiver from behind he put on Kirkpatrick.

I thought he should have been ejected from the game like the guy from Arkansas was last week.

JMHO.
 
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81Bubbavol said:
I expect our cute little Honey Badger to get suspended from LSU's next game by the SEC Office for the gutless thug forearm shiver from behind he put on Kirkpatrick.

I thought he should have been ejected from the game like the guy from Arkansas was last week.

JMHO.
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It was not anywhere near as bad as last week's hit on a vulnerable return man that thought he was good because he signaled a fair catch. Honestly, watching in slow mo replay, I couldn't even see howthe hit by honey badger even caused Kirkpatrick to go down. It looked like a big over blown nothing.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
It was not anywhere near as bad as last week's hit on a vulnerable return man that thought he was good because he signaled a fair catch. Honestly, watching in slow mo replay, I couldn't even see howthe hit by honey badger even caused Kirkpatrick to go down. It looked like a big over blown nothing.
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The hit wasn't that bad. What it caused to happen was though. If he doesnt pretty much throw that shot in there then Kilpatrick's head doesn't go slamming to the ground. I think thats what caused more of the problems than the actual hit. It was when he came down funny on the back of his head. Although had he not been closelined wwf style it would have never happened. Watch and see if the "Honey Badger" doesn't get lit up by someone soon. Might not happen till next year but he will get his time. Someone is gonna cheapshot him into the hospital. He runs his trap like a 2 dollar hooker.
 
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They called holding and it clearly was not holding, I guess you could call a club but hit him in the shoulder from what I could tell, I mean you can't close line but he didn't hit him in the head or neck. Great hit, to me no penalty at all, if he would have hit him in the head or neck than to me it would have been a personal penalty and maybe an ejection.

It clearly wasn't holding. The more I watched the replay I am like what they going to call. Great D all night by LSU secondary as the pass rush was not very successful. Now Hatcher sucks, I have no idea why LSU continues to play him... he probably gave up 70-80 of Richardson's yards by himself, but great game by TM7.

I agree he runs his trap too much but I didn't see holding.
 
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This kid makes some big plays, but he is the 3rd best player in LSUs secondary. And thats not a knock.
 
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I know you're an LSU fan, but come on. If he didn't grab him and hold on, what made Kirkpatrick spin around and fall backwards? The high forearm bordered on being grounds for ejection.
 
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GAVol said:
I know you're an LSU fan, but come on. If he didn't grab him and hold on, what made Kirkpatrick spin around and fall backwards? The high forearm bordered on being grounds for ejection.
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He hit the guy in the shoulder, guy feel down. If he grabbed him and held him, why did he fall to the ground? He fell to the ground because he got hit, yes another 8 inches higher and he could have wrapped him on the neck or head which would have been a penalty.

The only reason it was called is because it was on a punt return and in open field and it just didn't look right in full speed and TM's trap had been loose all night. The guy got hurt when hit the ground.
 
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LSU... Wake up. He swung at him. That's a PF and he should have been tossed. You can't swing at someone in football. Holding did not occur. You're right. It was a PF and I would have tossed him. It was inexcusable, cheap, classless and a pussy move through and through.
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utvols88 said:
LSU... Wake up. He swung at him. That's a PF and he should have been tossed. You can't swing at someone in football. Holding did not occur. You're right. It was a PF and I would have tossed him. It was inexcusable, cheap, classless and a pussy move through and through.
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Funny he swings at people all the time, probably half his turnovers are him swinging at people. I don't know if he has had a PF before, at least I don't remember it. I see nothing wrong with it after watching the slow-mo.

He hit the guy in the shoulder, guy fell, hurt himself on the fall. I saw no penalty on replay, full speed it didn't look right, slow down I thought it was fine, if he would have hit him in the neck or head, yes a PF. They are not going to give a guy for hitting someone on their shoulder pad.

Full speed it didn't look right especially in open field, on slow mo, he hit the guy in his shoulder pad, guy was not ready, fell and hurt himself.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He hit the guy in the shoulder, guy feel down. If he grabbed him and held him, why did he fall to the ground? He fell to the ground because he got hit, yes another 8 inches higher and he could have wrapped him on the neck or head which would have been a penalty.

The only reason it was called is because it was on a punt return and in open field and it just didn't look right in full speed and TM's trap had been loose all night. The guy got hurt when hit the ground.
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Take your blinders off. Was listening to lsu radio for 2nd half and even they ripped him and said it was beyond pathetic.
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tvols75 said:
Take your blinders off. Was listening to lsu radio for 2nd half and even they ripped him and said it was beyond pathetic.
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Oddly enough, I'm with LSU guy. The number 1 most hilarious thing about watching a football movie, is watching the slow motion "wicked forearm shiver". In the movies, that move always ends with the ball carrier doing three backflips and almost dying. In real life, the guy doing the forearm shiver would get a contusion and nearly get his arm ripped off. There is not enough moment of inertia in an arm to do anything to slow the momentum of a 200+ lb. football player. For this reason, I find it laughable that anyone could think that TM's play caused the damage that Kilpatrick sustained.
 
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tvols75 said:
Take your blinders off. Was listening to lsu radio for 2nd half and even they ripped him and said it was beyond pathetic.
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I don't care what lsu radio said. Those people on LSU radio were the same ones saying how Crowton was an offensive genius years ago and I called the guy a dumb-ass at least 3 years ago. If it was beyond pathetic there would have been a PF on it. It looked bad because it was hard hit.

Look man, we are not going to agree... you are just looking for anything to say. Heck even at first I thought it was bad until the showed the replay, he hit the guy right on the shoulder pad. I thought at first he clothes-hanging on him, which is what everyone thought in full speed, but he just hit him in the shoulder, the guy fell and got hurt. The only reason a flag was thrown was because of the way he came in with his arm and the guy spun, but there clearly was no holding and there was no clothes-hanging as the guy got hit in the freaking shoulder pad.

Now if you think I have blinders on I think that is hogwash I have plenty of things bad to say when it happens... matter of fact Hatcher needs to be placed on the end of the bench for the rest of his career. The guy simply has no idea what he is doing.

TM had a good game, sorry that was not holding, now if you want to talk about TM and his jaw that is something I can agree with, I wish he would shutup. If someone wants to give him a PF, it should be because of his jaw.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He hit the guy in the shoulder, guy feel down. If he grabbed him and held him, why did he fall to the ground? He fell to the ground because he got hit, yes another 8 inches higher and he could have wrapped him on the neck or head which would have been a penalty.

The only reason it was called is because it was on a punt return and in open field and it just didn't look right in full speed and TM's trap had been loose all night. The guy got hurt when hit the ground.
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