Slice, we just got back from the pan am games a few weeks ago. We had a 7 yr old win and 10 yr old expert level lose. He pulled guard 4 times and tried submissions and sweeps over and over. Kamura, triangle, reverse arm bar, hidden arm bar (you seen it?) Other kid won and didn't do anything but sit there. They counted pulling guard asa takedown if they felt the fighter was in the process of trying a single or double leg, so they gave him 4 takedowns. Pan am jiujitsu champ that didn't get a point for a jiujitsu move and never tried to finish.