Undisciplined team

#76
#76
VolGee4 said:
He did not “vastly” underachieve. I guess the Hall of Fame coaches at Duke, UNC, UK, and Gonzaga all underachieved too because they all had higher draft picks and didn’t make it to the final weekend.
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Gonzaga nearly always overachieves relative to resources. I love seeing K and Roy get the best players. You can nearly always count on them to screw up a good thing. Sometimes their talent overwhelms their ineptitude. Calipari rarely underachieved because of counting on youth. His outcome is totally dependent each year on speed of development. UK and its fans have mostly accepted that model.
 
#77
#77
SmokyRiverDog said:
That does not change the fact that he consistently underachieved. He built last years group into an amazing team, and then proceeded to vastly underachieve in tournament play. He underachieved in recruiting in multiple prior years leaving him with this underachieving relative to the program team. I fully expect he takes his team of superstars next year and proceeds to underachieve. He does seem like a good guy, though; but that is irrelevant in this discussion.
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Define underachieve? Has he under achieved in recruiting, probably somewhat. Outside of that he has overachieved! Look at where GW, AS were when they came to UT and where they are now. Absolutely no one, including myself, would’ve imagined last years team would have achieved what it did and if not for bad calls at the end of the Purdue game then who knows. Did you honestly think this year’s team would compete for championships? There record and play is probably better than should be considering all the adversity they’ve dealt with.
 
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Rabid Vol said:
Define underachieve? Has he under achieved in recruiting, probably somewhat. Outside of that he has overachieved! Look at where GW, AS were when they came to UT and where they are now. Absolutely no one, including myself, would’ve imagined last years team would have achieved what it did and if not for bad calls at the end of the Purdue game then who knows. Did you honestly think this year’s team would compete for championships? There record and play is probably better than should be considering all the adversity they’ve dealt with.
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You are ok with excuses, and I'm not; especially at the current price.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Gonzaga nearly always overachieves relative to resources. I love seeing K and Roy get the best players. You can nearly always count on them to screw up a good thing. Sometimes their talent overwhelms their ineptitude. Calipari rarely underachieved because of counting on youth. His outcome is totally dependent each year on speed of development. UK and its fans have mostly accepted that model.
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Relative to what resources?
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
You are ok with excuses, and I'm not; especially at the current price.
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I am OK with reality and apparently you aren't. Under the current circumstance, I am rather surpr8sed that our team is playing as well as they are. The teams is still learning to lay together and we have two mportant players who were not on the team until late December or early January. One was not even enrolled in school until after Christmas and no experience playing in the NCAA-SEC. You guys who want to complain about coaching should at least not make yourself look uninformed with your posts. However, you certainly have can express yourself knowing that most other posters are aware of the facts.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Gonzaga nearly always overachieves relative to resources. I love seeing K and Roy get the best players. You can nearly always count on them to screw up a good thing. Sometimes their talent overwhelms their ineptitude. Calipari rarely underachieved because of counting on youth. His outcome is totally dependent each year on speed of development. UK and its fans have mostly accepted that model.
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What’s funny is you say Cal rarely underachieves because of youth when that is the model that HE chooses. He can go a different route.

Then, you say Barnes “vastly” underchieved when he recruited players no P5 schools wanted, developed them, and HE created the expectations. I love fans that want to crap on their own coach but praise opponent’s coaches.

Barnes did not “vastly” underachieve, and while I guess it is an opinion, it is closer to a fact. Considering where we are now compared to what he inherited, the program is in much better shape, and it’s not close. But this is what we get with our own fans.

The money thing is dumb too. We paid him for what he had done. It was a premium to keep a fringe Hall of Fame coach, and then he proceeded to sign a top 6 class. If we had to hire a new coach, it was going to be around half of what he is being paid, and history shows it would have been a crapshoot.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I am OK with reality and apparently you aren't. Under the current circumstance, I am rather surpr8sed that our team is playing as well as they are. The teams is still learning to lay together and we have two mportant players who were not on the team until late December or early January. One was not even enrolled in school until after Christmas and no experience playing in the NCAA-SEC. You guys who want to complain about coaching should at least not make yourself look uninformed with your posts. However, you certainly have can express yourself knowing that most other posters are aware of the facts.
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All of which can be laid at the feet of poor recruiting over multiple years in the recent past. Again, its excuse making.
 
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VolGee4 said:
What’s funny is you say Cal rarely underachieves because of youth when that is the model that HE chooses. He can go a different route.

Then, you say Barnes “vastly” underchieved when he recruited players no P5 schools wanted, developed them, and HE created the expectations. I love fans that want to crap on their own coach but praise opponent’s coaches.

Barnes did not “vastly” underachieve, and while I guess it is an opinion, it is closer to a fact. Considering where we are now compared to what he inherited, the program is in much better shape, and it’s not close. But this is what we get with our own fans.

The money thing is dumb too. We paid him for what he had done. It was a premium to keep a fringe Hall of Fame coach, and then he proceeded to sign a top 6 class. If we had to hire a new coach, it was going to be around half of what he is being paid, and history shows it would have been a crapshoot.
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I bet he really appreciates you carrying that water for him.
 
#93
#93
SmokyRiverDog said:
No. You are expanding the parameters of the point being made to suit your own agenda. This is further applicable to one of the very highest paid coaches in the nation, which obviously creates different expectations, and rightly so.
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And what you're saying is that Barnes should be a better coach based on salary. Pure hogwash......stay behind the rope.
 
#94
#94
cardvolfan said:
And what you're saying is that Barnes should be a better coach based on salary. Pure hogwash......stay behind the rope.
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Yes, you are catching on now. With great salary come great expectations. That's what happens when you strong-arm (allegedly) a weak Athletic Director.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Yes, you are catching on now. With great salary come great expectations. That's what happens when you strong-arm (allegedly) a weak Athletic Director.
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Fortunately, you're one of a minority with a bullish mentality and a perpetual propensity to see the negative. I really encourage fans with your outlook and unhappiness to go follow another team.....I'm thinking you and Kentucky would be a perfect fit.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Yes, you are catching on now. With great salary come great expectations. That's what happens when you strong-arm (allegedly) a weak Athletic Director.
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Jeremy Pruitt is nowhere close to the top of college football in salary and we had threads here calling for him to be fired one game into his second season. You’d still be whining if Barnes made 500k instead of 5M. You and the rest of the mob are just using the salary as cover.
 
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#99
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How is it not? It will probably be the most talented UT team of all time. The pressure will be on if he doesnt make a deep tourney run.
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It will also be of a roster full of underclassmen... at least 9 of 13. I don't think that 2020-21 should be judged solely on tournament runs. Development of those young guys should be the primary factor. Barnes needs to keep moving the program forward, work on balancing the roster out so that there aren't big retracements, and continue getting into the NCAAT field. Deep runs are highly dependant on draws/matchups, refs, injuries, venues, and especially luck. Most teams participating are capable of knocking off any other seed on a particular day. Virginia... 1st #1 to EVER lose to a #16 won it all a year later.
 
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