Undisciplined team

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SmokyRiverDog said:
No. You are expanding the parameters of the point being made to suit your own agenda. This is further applicable to one of the very highest paid coaches in the nation, which obviously creates different expectations, and rightly so.
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Look we all want our Vols to win, and no one more than CRB. You feel he has underachieved, mentioned the superiority of Duke and Gonzaga as measuring sticks and you also said this team was hard to watch. If you feel CRB is not the coach to lead the program, you are obviously free to say what you want, then why not just follow/root for another team?
 
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cardvolfan said:
Fortunately, you're one of a minority with a bullish mentality and a perpetual propensity to see the negative. I really encourage fans with your outlook and unhappiness to go follow another team.....I'm thinking you and Kentucky would be a perfect fit.
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Fortunately, they have sheep like you so the AD can continue to operate ignorantly with impunity.
 
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SGMVols said:
Jeremy Pruitt is nowhere close to the top of college football in salary and we had threads here calling for him to be fired one game into his second season. You’d still be whining if Barnes made 500k instead of 5M. You and the rest of the mob are just using the salary as cover.
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No, I was fine with his results at his initial salary (with appropriate subsequent raises). His current salary comes with giant increases in expectations, especially due to the manner he obtained it.
 
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Rabid Vol said:
Does the in coming class suggest he is recruiting better?
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Yes, but that does not remove expectations for this season and the known cause of poor recruiting that created most of the issues with this current team. He can have a bad year this year and be criticized and then earn praise if he achieves appropriately next year. They can be mutually exclusive.
 
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Rabid Vol said:
Look we all want our Vols to win, and no one more than CRB. You feel he has underachieved, mentioned the superiority of Duke and Gonzaga as measuring sticks and you also said this team was hard to watch. If you feel CRB is not the coach to lead the program, you are obviously free to say what you want, then why not just follow/root for another team?
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I never mentioned any superiority of Duke or Gonzaga. I do appreciate what Gonzaga achieves based on its size and location. I think Coach K is the most overrated basketball coach in history. I love when he gets a blue chip recruit because he will waste them almost assuredly. He does less with more most every year. Also, I never claimed to be a fan of Tennessee basketball. You are making a lot of assumptions.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I never mentioned any superiority of Duke or Gonzaga. I do appreciate what Gonzaga achieves based on its size and location. I think Coach K is the most overrated basketball coach in history. I love when he gets a blue chip recruit because he will waste them almost assuredly. He does less with more most every year. Also, I never claimed to be a fan of Tennessee basketball. You are making a lot of assumptions.
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Bingo
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Financial means.
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You may be surprised to hear that Gonzaga’s men’s basketball budget, as of July 2018, was around $8.9 million, while Tennessee’s was $6.9 million. Barnes’ salary bump has closed that gap a bit, but at the very worst, they are now even in spend with the Zags, and probably still behind by roughly $500k, or so. Few is grossly underpaid at $1.78 million/yr for a guy with his resumé, and Gonzaga is fortunate that he enjoys coaching there for such a discount. If they were forced to pay him his market value, their budget would be exceedingly higher.

All that to say, Gonzaga isn’t financially restricted or afraid to spend money on their program, so I’m not sure it’s accurate to say that they are limited by their financial resources.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I bet he really appreciates you carrying that water for him.
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I appreciate him for making UT exciting in basketball. Last year was a blast. I wonder if you were this vocal about Jerry Green, Buzz Peterson, Cuonzo Martin, and Donnie Tyndall.

No substantive response, so I can you can’t refure it.

Edit: Maybe I should take some of this back as you are not a UT fan. Makes sense now.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I never mentioned any superiority of Duke or Gonzaga. I do appreciate what Gonzaga achieves based on its size and location. I think Coach K is the most overrated basketball coach in history. I love when he gets a blue chip recruit because he will waste them almost assuredly. He does less with more most every year. Also, I never claimed to be a fan of Tennessee basketball. You are making a lot of assumptions.
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I'm sure Barnes relishes all your input.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I appreciate him for making UT exciting in basketball. Last year was a blast. I wonder if you were this vocal about Jerry Green, Buzz Peterson, Cuonzo Martin, and Donnie Tyndall.

No substantive response, so I can you can’t refure it.

Edit: Maybe I should take some of this back as you are not a UT fan. Makes sense now.
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Did any of them strong arm a salary at the top of college basketball? I was critical of Cuonzo's lack of personality and fan interaction without results to justify it.
 
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SmokeyLives said:
My faith in CRB is diminishing. Let me have It. Call me uninformed. Tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. This team is not buying in. They play uninspired. They don’t rebound, which is all effort and positioning. Ok, they lead the SEC in scoring D, that’s good. But players have regressed and it’s not because Turner is down. Hard to watch.
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How about GTFO
 
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cncchris33 said:
You may be surprised to hear that Gonzaga’s men’s basketball budget, as of July 2018, was around $8.9 million, while Tennessee’s was $6.9 million. Barnes’ salary bump has closed that gap a bit, but at the very worst, they are now even in spend with the Zags, and probably still behind by roughly $500k, or so. Few is grossly underpaid at $1.78 million/yr for a guy with his resumé, and Gonzaga is fortunate that he enjoys coaching there for such a discount. If they were forced to pay him his market value, their budget would be exceedingly higher.

All that to say, Gonzaga isn’t financially restricted or afraid to spend money on their program, so I’m not sure it’s accurate to say that they are limited by their financial resources.
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I think that picture changes if you look at the totality of resources and facilities at the university. Gonzaga just invests disproportionately in a single sport.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I never mentioned any superiority of Duke or Gonzaga. I do appreciate what Gonzaga achieves based on its size and location. I think Coach K is the most overrated basketball coach in history. I love when he gets a blue chip recruit because he will waste them almost assuredly. He does less with more most every year. Also, I never claimed to be a fan of Tennessee basketball. You are making a lot of assumptions.
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I think this is a good example of how hard and arbitrary winning in the NCAAt is. Coach K coaches the USA national team. He's objectively an excellent coach. Being contrarian doesn't make you folksy or unique, sometimes it makes you plain wrong.
 
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berryvol said:
I think this is a good example of how hard and arbitrary winning in the NCAAt is. Coach K coaches the USA national team. He's objectively an excellent coach. Being contrarian doesn't make you folksy or unique, sometimes it makes you plain wrong.
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You are telling me that in the majority of years Coach K has clearly had the most talent, he has won a championship more than he lost one?
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
I think that picture changes if you look at the totality of resources and facilities at the university. Gonzaga just invests disproportionately in a single sport.
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Well, now you're changing the parameters, of which I asked you to be specific. I even gave a couple examples as a starting point for you to clarify what you meant by "resources", one being facilities. You alone suggested Gonzaga was at a disadvantage from a financial resources perspective, and I showed you that wasn't actually true. Now you are branching off into facilities and whatever "totality of resources" encompasses. Gonzaga has really nice facilities, as a matter of fact. They may not be as nice as Tennessee's, but they aren't Idaho State, either. They just opened in 2018, the new $25 million Volkar Athletic Center which houses the practice facilities, film room, nutrition center, and strength and conditioning facilities.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Well, now you're changing the parameters, of which I asked you to be specific. I even gave a couple examples as a starting point for you to clarify what you meant by "resources", one being facilities. You alone suggested Gonzaga was at a disadvantage from a financial resources perspective, and I showed you that wasn't actually true. Now you are branching off into facilities and whatever "totality of resources" encompasses. Gonzaga has really nice facilities, as a matter of fact. They may not be as nice as Tennessee's, but they aren't Idaho State, either. They just opened in 2018, the new $25 million Volkar Athletic Center which houses the practice facilities, film room, nutrition center, and strength and conditioning facilities.
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They are a 7400 student university in an area that does not produce excessive amounts of athletic talent. They do very well in competition with universities with 25k, 35k, 40k students and those in more talent rich areas. They do not have inherent advantages.
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
Yes, but that does not remove expectations for this season and the known cause of poor recruiting that created most of the issues with this current team. He can have a bad year this year and be criticized and then earn praise if he achieves appropriately next year. They can be mutually exclusive.
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What is the KNOWN CAUSE of poor recruiting you speak of?
 
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SmokyRiverDog said:
No, I was fine with his results at his initial salary (with appropriate subsequent raises). His current salary comes with giant increases in expectations, especially due to the manner he obtained it.
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Then why are you whining about his past recruiting? He wasn't making his current salary then. You are full of it.
 
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Rabid Vol said:
Define underachieve? Did you honestly think this year’s team would compete for championships? There record and play is probably better than should be considering all the adversity they’ve dealt with.
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I expected the Vols to be one of the top 3 teams in the SEC this season. But, I had to adjust my expectations when I realized that Turner was badly injured and Bowden couldn't shoot anymore. That put undue pressure on JJJ. Our guards should have been the strength of this team, but they turned out to be our biggest liability. A healthy Turner and a 2018-19 version of Bowden (37.8% 3pt.%) and we're as good as anybody in the SEC--maybe better.
 
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