United Airlines New Seating Chart

#326
#326
BigZiti09 said:
There's never gonna be a law change that allows you to refuse to leave a plane when asked.

Forget for a second about the overbooking. Yes it is awful and it should not happen. But the bottom line is this guy was asked to leave and he refused. He got what was coming.
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That's the point. He was asked to leave and he refused. 3 others did but his selfish dumb ass didn't. He would rather inconvenience many so he could get home
 
#328
#328
txbo said:
I bet most fliers aren't aware of the fine print on the back of their ticket. I know the facts but reject the notion that I have to like it or stay home. That's silly. I hope this fiasco brings change to the industry practices.

FWIW, I have a million miles on one airline and enough miles on others that I won't get bumped. Additionally, I normally fly first class. Industry change won't mean much to me. The people that usually get taken advantage of are the meek and the young. People that can't or wont stick up for themselves. They deserve better.
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More money, more priv, nothing new here. Maybe next time you can offer up your seat so the meek and Young aren't taken adv of
 
#330
#330
BigZiti09 said:
A) that's a mistake but not like it prevents them from removing passengers. It's not a "no turning back" point.

B) I would think this happens more than once in a blue moon and they follow protocol. The only things out of the norm here is the doctor who was defiant and had to be removed.
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I challenge anyone to read the actual Contract of Carriage for United. It clearly states that they can deny boarding in this situation, not after the passenger has boarded and not after they have taken a seat. As long as they adhere to everything in section 21. Section 25 is all about before boarding.
 
#331
#331
bigdaddy said:
That's the point. He was asked to leave and he refused. 3 others did but his selfish dumb ass didn't. He would rather inconvenience many so he could get home
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I'd say they weren't inconvenienced as much as he was... even if you throw the butt-kicking aside.
 
#335
#335
BearCat204 said:
I challenge anyone to read the actual Contract of Carriage for United. It clearly states that they can deny boarding in this situation, not after the passenger has boarded and not after they have taken a seat. As long as they adhere to everything in section 21. Section 25 is all about before boarding.
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What happens if they allow 20 people to board over their capacity? What then? They just fly the plane with people sitting on each other's laps because something somewhere says that they can't take them off? They own the plane. They can remove anyone them.
 
#337
#337
BearCat204 said:
Again BD, please show me these rules that they can remove a passenger that has already boarded if they don't break certain rules.
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Where did I say the airline was right? So he boarded and things changed. They needed his seat so a crew could fly 140 passengers on the next flight. He was chosen to be bumped and he threw a childish fit and was removed. Have some common sense and take the deal. Why didn't any of the other passengers stand up and say I'll go when things got heated?
 
#338
#338
txbo said:
Well, I have.
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Good, keep doing it and you will never see this happen on your flights which is all you can ask for. I'm not for making new laws bc one idiot lost his mind over something he agreed upon
 
#339
#339
txbo said:
LMAO! Privilege! A favorite word of snowflakes everywhere.
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Hardly a snowflake there chief, I'm. It the one bragging on my wealth and first class status here. That's you. I just pointed out the airline industry is simple capitalism. Pay more money, get better treatment. I have no problem with that
 
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#340
#340
bigdaddy said:
Where did I say the airline was right? So he boarded and things changed. They needed his seat so a crew could fly 140 passengers on the next flight. He was chosen to be bumped and he threw a childish fit and was removed. Have some common sense and take the deal. Why didn't any of the other passengers stand up and say I'll go when things got heated?
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He may have been childish and I can actually see that, but he broke no laws and United unlawfully removed him. My argument isn't how I would just take the money in that situation, the argument is that he didn't break a single law....none. So if I am not breaking any laws and I have paid for this ticket, it is up to me whether or not I want to leave the plane for an 800 dollar voucher. If this happens before boarding, then I agree....but it didn't.
 
#341
#341
BigZiti09 said:
What happens if they allow 20 people to board over their capacity? What then? They just fly the plane with people sitting on each other's laps because something somewhere says that they can't take them off? They own the plane. They can remove anyone them.
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I'm just telling your what the law and United's CoC says. You keep saying he was breaking the law, when clearly he wasn't.
 
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#342
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Has nothing to do with being meek. If a price is agreed upon and paid them the agreement should be honored.
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Again, he agreed to the terms of being bumped when purchasing the ticket. The airline failed by not doing it at the gate but still have the deal in place and safety of the other passengers overrides that contract.
 
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#344
bigdaddy said:
Good, keep doing it and you will never see this happen on your flights which is all you can ask for. I'm not for making new laws bc one idiot lost his mind over something he agreed upon
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I'm afraid I can't help everybody which is why I hope this fiasco forces the industry to step back and look at their policies. My preference would be for them to reform themselves. However if they can't, although I seldom support additional federal regulation, the airline industry is hardly a free market. I'd support some federal reform as a last resort.
 
#345
#345
bigdaddy said:
Again, he agreed to the terms of being bumped when purchasing the ticket. The airline failed by not doing it at the gate but still have the deal in place and safety of the other passengers overrides that contract.
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NO, he didn't. Again, show me where this agreement exist. The agreement is that you will adhere to CoC, which this man didn't break a single thing in it. Now if they cancel the flight, that is one thing, or delay, but they cannot remove you lawfully once you have boarded the plane according to their CoC. Unless they cancel the flight all together.
 
#346
#346
BigZiti09 said:
What happens if they allow 20 people to board over their capacity? What then? They just fly the plane with people sitting on each other's laps because something somewhere says that they can't take them off? They own the plane. They can remove anyone them.
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Again, maybe they should quit the practice of overbooking and they wouldn't have that problem.
 
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#347
BearCat204 said:
I'm just telling your what the law and United's CoC says. You keep saying he was breaking the law, when clearly he wasn't.
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Never said he broke the law.

If you're asked to leave a plane and you don't then you're fair game for physically being removed.
 
#349
#349
BearCat204 said:
NO, he didn't. Again, show me where this agreement exist. The agreement is that you will adhere to CoC, which this man didn't break a single thing in it. Now if they cancel the flight, that is one thing, or delay, but they cannot remove you lawfully once you have boarded the plane according to their CoC. Unless they cancel the flight all together.
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According to this the airline did no wrong

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/100287338/
 
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