United Airlines New Seating Chart

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#377
bigdaddy said:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx?Mobile=1#sec21

He broke section H 1, and therefore broke his contract and had to be removed. The definitions are in the first page
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Are you messing with me? The definition for boarding nor taxi, nor anything else that goes over that is defined in those definitions.

You can't be serious that he broke H1... His behavior does not fit the definition of disorderly or the others in H1...... United's does though.
 
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"Find your seat and put your carry-on bags away
You're almost ready to take flight. Once you find your seat, place your larger carry-on baggage in the overhead compartment above your row and your smaller personal item under the seat in front of you, which helps everybody have space to store their bags. Buckle up, and relax."

Attorney: "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, would the words "buckle up and relax" suggest to you that you have now completed the boarding process?"
 
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txbo said:
"Find your seat and put your carry-on bags away
You're almost ready to take flight. Once you find your seat, place your larger carry-on baggage in the overhead compartment above your row and your smaller personal item under the seat in front of you, which helps everybody have space to store their bags. Buckle up, and relax."

Attorney: "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, would the words "buckle up and relax" suggest to you that you have now completed the boarding process?"
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Nope to me it reads the boarding process is almost over as they tell you that we are almost finished boarding once we close the door we will be on our way. What you stated is still listed under the boarding process
 
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95 Vol Alum said:
There's a video. He was on the phone with United looking for recourse. He seemed to be using a reasonable but agitated tone. Not cussing and flailing. Just refusing and pleading his case to be understood. That's how I saw it anyway
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I'm trying to find an entire timeline. When were passengers first notified that volunteers were needed to give up their seats? Once everyone was on the plane or was this still in the seating area outside the gate? I don't know if it would make much difference legally, but I'd think if he was told he was getting bumped before he ever got on the plane, but he went ahead and took his seat contrary to what United told him.... then I'd think it's slightly different circumstances.

The reason I ask is I've seen a couple articles that say he left the plane then got back on.

I'd just like to know the entirety of what happened. If this flight left two hours late because of him a lot went on prior to the video.
 
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txbo said:
LOL! That's like booking a man for resisting arrest when you had no probable cause to detain him in the first place.
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They make it vague for a reason so you can be booted for anything they don't like. It's the rules. Go read them. I'll say this, I've never had a problem with getting the crap kicked out of me by following the orders of the police
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Good to know we have people like you and bigdaddy who have no problem surrendering your freedoms and liberties. If it had been up to people like you America wouldn't exist in the first place. " Pay the tax and the king won't send in the troops".
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What you're describing is entitlement. Not liberty. Not freedom
 
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TheDeeble said:
I'm trying to find an entire timeline. When were passengers first notified that volunteers were needed to give up their seats? Once everyone was on the plane or was this still in the seating area outside the gate? I don't know if it would make much difference legally, but I'd think if he was told he was getting bumped before he ever got on the plane, but he went ahead and took his seat contrary to what United told him.... then I'd think it's slightly different circumstances.

The reason I ask is I've seen a couple articles that say he left the plane then got back on.

I'd just like to know the entirety of what happened. If this flight left two hours late because of him a lot went on prior to the video.
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I'm under the impression that he ran back onto the plane after he was forcibly removed but let go at the gate. Hence the look of disorientation photos.
 
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bigdaddy said:
They make it vague for a reason so you can be booted for anything they don't like. It's the rules. Go read them. I'll say this, I've never had a problem with getting the crap kicked out of me by following the orders of the police
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Whether they write them with that intention or not, that won't play in court. He has a prominent, respected attorney that I am sure is reading every word of their rules.
 
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#392
The flight was not "overbooked". They sold tickets for the amount of seats available. The problem arose when a United flight crew needed to get to Louisville and commandeered 4 seats on a flight where every ticketed customer was on the plane and in their assigned seats. They should've raised the amount of money they were willing to pay the volunteer to give up their seat until a fourth person took them up on it instead of just picking out someone who wasn't willing to leave and dragging them off the plane.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
The flight was not "overbooked". They sold tickets for the amount of seats available. The problem arose when a United flight crew needed to get to Louisville and commandeered 4 seats on a flight where every ticketed customer was on the plane and in their assigned seats. They should've raised the amount of money they were willing to pay the volunteer to give up their seat until a fourth person took them up on it instead of just picking out someone who wasn't willing to leave and dragging them off the plane.
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Yep. Being chintzy with what they'd pay certainly cost them.

Reading through this thread makes me think of hypotheticals like what if the goverment came to take guns or declared martial law and sent troops after citizens. Everyone says oh it won't happen the troops won't do it, everyone will resist. But in this instance the cops were more than happy to manhandle this guy over nothing, and there's more than one person on here saying the authority is always correct and you should always obey what you're told.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Yep. Being chintzy with what they'd pay certainly cost them.
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I think a more interesting thread would be a nice off-season "Pick the United Airlines Buyout." Price is Right rules -- closest without going over.

Freak: any chance of one of those Amazon gift cards as booty?
 
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so they weren't overbooked. and they didn't follow their own rules for denial of boarding. sounds like UA effed up.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Yep. Being chintzy with what they'd pay certainly cost them.

Reading through this thread makes me think of hypotheticals like what if the goverment came to take guns or declared martial law and sent troops after citizens. Everyone says oh it won't happen the troops won't do it, everyone will resist. But in this instance the cops were more than happy to manhandle this guy over nothing, and there's more than one person on here saying the authority is always correct and you should always obey what you're told.
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No comparison in body slamming a 69 year old man that you know is unarmed with trying to confiscate weapons from a man you know is armed.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Reading through this thread makes me think of hypotheticals like what if the goverment came to take guns or declared martial law and sent troops after citizens. Everyone says oh it won't happen the troops won't do it, everyone will resist. But in this instance the cops were more than happy to manhandle this guy over nothing, and there's more than one person on here saying the authority is always correct and you should always obey what you're told.
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I'm starting to think BigZiti would've sided with Bull Conner.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Where did I say the airline was right? So he boarded and things changed. They needed his seat so a crew could fly 140 passengers on the next flight. He was chosen to be bumped and he threw a childish fit and was removed. Have some common sense and take the deal. Why didn't any of the other passengers stand up and say I'll go when things got heated?
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I'm curious, would you have taken the deal if you were trying to get home to a sick child?
 
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