United Airlines New Seating Chart

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bigdaddy said:
Hardly a snowflake there chief, I'm. It the one bragging on my wealth and first class status here. That's you. I just pointed out the airline industry is simple capitalism. Pay more money, get better treatment. I have no problem with that
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Maybe other industries should follow suit. After you have just bought a new suit and are walking out the door the store could have security tackle you at the door and take it out of your hands because someone else offered to pay more for it.
 
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BearCat204 said:
BS, there is a big difference between boarding and already boarded. United's own CoC even talks about before boarding, i.e. before you put a person on the plane. They skip over that very important point.
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Read the entire CoC and it says nothing about once you are seated. The contract is good until you leave the terminal. Not specific to the plane and seat.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Maybe leave when asked and don't get your bell rung?
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Good to know we have people like you and bigdaddy who have no problem surrendering your freedoms and liberties. If it had been up to people like you America wouldn't exist in the first place. " Pay the tax and the king won't send in the troops".
 
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And it clearly states that if you refuse the compensation you can be removed from your seat. So he was in the wrong
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Good to know we have people like you and bigdaddy who have no problem surrendering your freedoms and liberties. If it had been up to people like you America wouldn't exist in the first place. " Pay the tax and the king won't send in the troops".
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Again, you surrender those liberties when you buy the ticket and sign the contract. Educate yourself on the situation instead of joining a social media mob. There are no good guys bad guys here. But making law for a guy who can't read the contract and becomes combative on a plane is stupid.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Hardly a snowflake there chief, I'm. It the one bragging on my wealth and first class status here. That's you. I just pointed out the airline industry is simple capitalism. Pay more money, get better treatment. I have no problem with that
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1) I didn't call you a snowflake. I don't know that you are or aren't. I'm simply pointing out that you've chosen to share their vernacular to profile something I've earned as privileged. You certainly share that with snowflakes everywhere.

2) I mentioned nothing of my wealth. Simply my flying habits. Are you aware that people all over the world amass points that can be used for free flights and upgrades simply from frequent business travel? Most of those travelers have never paid for a business or personal flight.

3)The airline industry is hardly a product of pure capitalism. Competition is not limited to free market supply and demand alone. It certainly has many barriers to entry. Some natural. Some unnatural. Specifically, it it subject to a limited amount of licenses and airspace granted by the US government. It's free game for a certain amount of regulation.
 
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bigdaddy said:
And it clearly states that if you refuse the compensation you can be removed from your seat. So he was in the wrong
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What part says you can be forcibly removed from the aircraft after boarding for oversold seats? You can certainly lose your seat before boarding, but their CoC that covers this is before boarding. And no, once you are in your seat on a plane, you are no longer boarding. He was not in the wrong......he dumb, but not in the wrong legally or according to their CoC.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Again, you surrender those liberties when you buy the ticket and sign the contract. Educate yourself on the situation instead of joining a social media mob. There are no good guys bad guys here. But making law for a guy who can't read the contract and becomes combative on a plane is stupid.
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And now that I see where this goes, I'm done.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Again, maybe they should quit the practice of overbooking and they wouldn't have that problem.
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From my understanding, the process of overbooking is necessary for profitability. It probably can't be eliminated completely but there can certainly be a more equitable compensation to the passenger to force a better management of it. I can't remember the last flight I was on that wasn't overbooked.
 
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BearCat204 said:
What part says you can be forcibly removed from the aircraft after boarding for oversold seats? You can certainly lose your seat before boarding, but their CoC that covers this is before boarding. And no, once you are in your seat on a plane, you are no longer boarding. He was not in the wrong......he dumb, but not in the wrong legally or according to their CoC.
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Boarding is included in seating and not over when you are in the seat. It ends when the plane is in motion for taxi as defined by their by laws
 
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bigdaddy said:
Boarding is included in seating and not over when you are in the seat. It ends when the plane is in motion for taxi as defined by their by laws
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Did you just make that up? Could you link me those law because I have not seen them
 
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bigdaddy said:
Again, you surrender those liberties when you buy the ticket and sign the contract. Educate yourself on the situation instead of joining a social media mob. There are no good guys bad guys here. But making law for a guy who can't read the contract and becomes combative on a plane is stupid.
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In this case the mob is right. Not just for this one guy, but for all the others this has happened to that didn't make it on youtube. Maybe the airline was within the letter of the law. Doesn't make it right.
 
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Look bearcat I'm not saying the airline was in the right but you have to agree this guy ian out of line and has a history of poor decisions. He had to be removed under the safety guidelines if the CoC which he agreed to as well.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
In this case the mob is right. Not just for this one guy, but for all the others this has happened to that didn't make it on youtube. Maybe the airline was within the letter of the law. Doesn't make it right.
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And the passenger was wrong as well. For breaking his CoC.
 
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txbo said:
From my understanding, the process of overbooking is necessary for profitability. It probably can't be eliminated completely but there can certainly be a more equitable compensation to the passenger to force a better management of it. I can't remember the last flight I was on that wasn't overbooked.
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Profitability? If any other industry was in the business of selling something that wasn't actually available it would be called fraud.
 
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bigdaddy said:
Look bearcat I'm not saying the airline was in the right but you have to agree this guy ian out of line and has a history of poor decisions. He had to be removed under the safety guidelines if the CoC which he agreed to as well.
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I'm saying his history of being a POS doesn't have dick to do with whether or not he broke any law or established CoC of United. Until I see any law or regulation or anything in the CoC that he broke, I can't agree with the notion that he was in the wrong.

Also I have looked for the boarding and taxi definitions in the CoC and they aren't listed
 
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BearCat204 said:
I'm saying his history of being a POS doesn't have dick to do with whether or not he broke any law or established CoC of United. Until I see any law or regulation or anything in the CoC that he broke, I can't agree with the notion that he was in the wrong.

Also I have looked for the boarding and taxi definitions in the CoC and they aren't listed
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx?Mobile=1#sec21

He broke section H 1, and therefore broke his contract and had to be removed. The definitions are in the first page
 
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Boarding continues until the door is closed and the final boarding has ended. As far as I can tell that had not happened yet. Once that happens the plane is freed from the terminal and in taxi.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Profitability? If any other industry was in the business of selling something that wasn't actually available it would be called fraud.
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Fair enough but they know a certain amount of people statistically won't show for a flight. Industry exec's have been able to show data that supports financial instability without overbooking. I'm no expert on the industry so I don't have any idea if it's been adequately challenged or if it has any validity.
 
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