Urban Meyer Is a Dirt Bag!

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golfballs said:
Tbh, it’s probably the worst thing they could have done if what Urban is saying is true. Which is exactly what tells me that it’s not.
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What he is saying now is probably more in line with the truth than what he originally said.
The investigation is smoke and mirrors until they figure out a way to publically exonerate him and shift the blame to the AD or someone above him.
 
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Would all of this have happened the same way if it was a player and not a coach?
 
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Meyer brought Smith to TOSU after he know he was abusing his wife as far back as 09. He keep him knowing it was still going on in 2015. If I am a fan of TOSU, that is all I need to know. There is no way I could support him. But I am not a fan of TOSU, so what I think pretty much doesn't matter. Let dogs lie with dogs.
 
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utchuckster said:
Meyer brought Smith to TOSU after he know he was abusing his wife as far back as 09. He keep him knowing it was still going on in 2015. If I am a fan of TOSU, that is all I need to know. There is no way I could support him. But I am not a fan of TOSU, so what I think pretty much doesn't matter. Let dogs lie with dogs.
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Yeah, OSU fans aren't going to care.

"A coach beat his wife and the head coach knew about it? Okay, I'll let him say he's sorry and we'll forget the whole thing."
 
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BeecherVol said:
What he is saying now is probably more in line with the truth than what he originally said.
The investigation is smoke and mirrors until they figure out a way to publically exonerate him and shift the blame to the AD or someone above him.
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That’s my point though. IF he really did notify his superiors and did everything he was supposed to, then they would have immediately come out and said so. There would be proof as those things have to be documented. But they didn’t. Also Gene Smith would also likely have been put on leave as well if he was notified but did nothing. I think it’s pretty clear that Urban didn’t tell anyone and instead thought that Smith and his wife would work it out.
 
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It seems to me like all of this should be on Z Smith, not Urban Meyer.

I'm no Meyer fan, but without a lot more info that it seems is currently available why should he be nailed to a cross? Z Smith probably beat up his wife. She's a grown woman. She can go to the cops. She can leave him. It happened in 2009 and I guess she decided not to. Whatever was going on it wasn't enough for her to leave, but it is enough that Smith shouldn't be employed? Maybe so. But its also enough that his supervisor shouldn't be employed? Is Urban Meyer literally the only guy in the Ohio State administration that knew about this? Maybe he thought firing Smith wasn't going to help him or the marriage situation. Maybe he thought he could help Smith more by keeping him close, as a kind of mentor or accountability partner. Maybe he hated the Smith's wife and wanted him to beat her up some more. Maybe he didn't see things escalating the way they did with a guy he'd known and worked with for years. Maybe he didn't use the best judgement. Maybe he made a mistake. Maybe there was an obvious pattern to Smith's behavior (which 2 incidents 6 yeas apart doesnt qualify, IMO) but I haven't read about any pattern. But I think we should have more information before we decide to publicly crucify the guy. Everybody these days wants to be judge, jury and executioner. Papa John or Urban Meyer or Paige Patterson or Adam Bloom. The SJW mob doesnt care. They come for you and its over. All it takes is an accusation. I don't know. I wasn't there. I dont have a lot of respect for Urban Heart-Trouble Meyer who rode Tim Tebow's coat-tails to success but I don't think he should be held responsible for another grown man's actions. If someone was going to go to the cops, it should be the wife, not Meyer.

Someone can feel free to enlighten me. Maybe I just dont have all the info. But when Kirk Herbstreit is getting shamed for saying we need more information instead of just joining the mob, I've got to flinch a little from going along with it all. Let's put down the pitchforks and investigate.
 
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golfballs said:
That’s my point though. IF he really did notify his superiors and did everything he was supposed to, then they would have immediately come out and said so. There would be proof as those things have to be documented. But they didn’t. Also Gene Smith would also likely have been put on leave as well if he was notified but did nothing. I think it’s pretty clear that Urban didn’t tell anyone and instead thought that Smith and his wife would work it out.
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So Urban and Zach Smith are lying? Zach Smith never had the conversations he said he had with Gene Smith in 2015? I'd have my doubts.

Ohio St hasn't said anything yet because Ohio St/Gene Smith did a half hearted investigation in 2015 and brushed the allegations off imo. At least enough where they didn't fire him.

If Meyer said he followed protocol by elevating the allegations, and he really did not, I think Ohio St would have said so by now. Wouldn't take long to talk to Gene Smith and the next people up in the chain. That would be outright lies with the intent to shift blame onto Ohio St. They would want that shut down immediately. They have enough with the team doctor and diving coach sexual abuse lawsuits.

To me this is setting up to basically claim innocence for the university or make Gene Smith the fall guy.
 
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TheDeeble said:
So Urban and Zach Smith are lying? Zach Smith never had the conversations he said he had with Gene Smith in 2015? I'd have my doubts.

Ohio St hasn't said anything yet because Ohio St/Gene Smith did a half hearted investigation in 2015 and brushed the allegations off imo. At least enough where they didn't fire him.

If Meyer said he followed protocol by elevating the allegations, and he really did not, I think Ohio St would have said so by now. Wouldn't take long to talk to Gene Smith and the next people up in the chain. That would be outright lies with the intent to shift blame onto Ohio St. They would want that shut down immediately. They have enough with the team doctor and diving coach sexual abuse lawsuits.
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I don’t agree. They in particular have reason to lie. And no, Urban Meyer is not that easily thrown under the bus.
 
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golfballs said:
I don’t agree. They in particular have reason to lie. And no, Urban Meyer is not that easily thrown under the bus.
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I don't think they're trying to throw Meyer under the bus. If anything I think they want to keep him.

AD's are more replaceable than head coaches of Meyer's caliber.
 
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Meyer went from “that’s a complete fabrication - who invented that story!??” To “This is true and I took it very seriously and followed all protocols” in less than a week. He has no credibility.
 
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TheDeeble said:
I don't think they're trying to throw Meyer under the bus. If anything I think they want to keep him.

AD's are more replaceable than head coaches of Meyer's caliber.
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Right that’s why they wouldn’t come out and say Meyer didn’t follow protocol if he in fact didn’t. They would put him on suspension and “investigate”. Exactly like they’re doing now
 
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golfballs said:
Right that’s why they wouldn’t come out and say Meyer didn’t follow protocol if he in fact didn’t. They would put him on suspension and “investigate”. Exactly like they’re doing now
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If he's lying about reporting it to Ohio St I think that would burn all the bridges with them. No loyalty. They wouldn't want to keep him.

I think Zach Smith's portrayal is probably the most likely:

"Plenty of people knew about the allegation," Zach Smith.

Zach Smith said he was recruiting away from Columbus during Ohio State's bye week in the last week of October in 2015, when Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith called him and told him to come back to Columbus because of the domestic abuse allegation.

"I think they handled it exactly how they should have handled it," Zach Smith said of Ohio State.

The Powell police alerted Ohio State about the abuse allegations, according to Zach Smith. He said the police investigated, and after there were no charges, "the case went away."
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Zach Smith, fired Ohio State assistant, says Ohio State AD Gene Smith knew of abuse allegations

My guess is Ohio St/Gene Smith went with that and decided not to fire him.
 
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I'll never forget Meyer being in the stands at a Florida basketball game when it was announced over the PA that Lane Kiffin had left Tennessee for USC. The camera panned over to Meyer and he had that despicable greasy smirk on his face. I already despised the man but in that instant it became more than that.
 
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Type Orange+ said:
I'll never forget Meyer being in the stands at a Florida basketball game when it was announced over the PA that Lane Kiffin had left Tennessee for USC. The camera panned over to Meyer and he had that despicable greasy smirk on his face. I already despised the man but in that instant it became more than that.
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It's like Paul Finebaum said: all this just confirms what we thought. Urban Meyer is a liar and a fraud
 
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butchna said:
He lied and implied that the writer had fabricated the story. When the PROOF was presented, he backtracked. Slimy stuff.
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That's the part where he can't return to grace. They don't understand the media. They have the right to ask stuff. And when you put their reputation on blast then they can dig deeper. And look what they found.
 
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volberry said:
It was supposedly on Twitter. But I agree that OSU is backing him and putting it on the AD. Scumbag Meyer + OSU boosters= insane $$$
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I doubt that the university “allowed” him to release that statement. I would certainly think the university would not want any statement out until it gets its affairs in order.
 
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golfballs said:
I doubt that the university “allowed” him to release that statement. I would certainly think the university would not want any statement out until it gets its affairs in order.
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If they approved a statement that had the line "Here's the truth"..... then I don't believe it either. Nobody there is that dumb.
 
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He was placed on administrative leave Wednesday. Friday afternoon he releases his statement.

Probably coordinated with the university imo. They already knew what actually happened in 2015 with the Zach Smith investigation.
 
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rjd970 said:
Certainly not disagreeing you. I’m also sensitive to the fact that some of these almost comes to the edge of victim shaming which is certainly not my intent. Do I think ZS is an abuser? Yes. That is absolutely clear now.

What I’m saying is it wasn’t absolutely clear in 2009 and 2015 without any charges filed. Meyer went on what he knew, and at the time what he knew was there were no charges. If Meyer had fired him in either of those cases then maybe the thinking was ZS could have have brought wrongful termination action against the university because there weren’t any charges filed to substantiate it.

The lying at media days doesn’t make sense unless there was something to hide. So in that regard, I’m really interested to see the result of the investigation and what we don’t know right now. It certainly smells like there was a coverup if some sort, but that hasn’t been proven yet.
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I have heard two completely different accounts of the story so far and you seem rather versed in the subject. I've heard no charges were filed but others have stated charges were filed but after Urban and some others council she decided to drop them. Have you heard this version?
 
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KB5252 said:
I have heard two completely different accounts of the story so far and you seem rather versed in the subject. I've heard no charges were filed but others have stated charges were filed but after Urban and some others council she decided to drop them. Have you heard this version?
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This is what I’m going on....

Timeline of the Zach Smith story and his relationship with Ohio State coach Urban Meyer

There were arrests, but no charges until this year. Everything was dropped it looks like.

Still think Meyer did some shady stuff behind the scenes and probably knew more than he is letting on, but there is no proof of it at this point. Right now I think the AD is toast, at least.
 
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An Orlando Sentinel article called Urban Meyer, "Urban Liar," but he could also be called "Urban Crier."
 
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rjd970 said:
This is what I’m going on....

Timeline of the Zach Smith story and his relationship with Ohio State coach Urban Meyer

There were arrests, but no charges until this year. Everything was dropped it looks like.

Still think Meyer did some shady stuff behind the scenes and probably knew more than he is letting on, but there is no proof of it at this point. Right now I think the AD is toast, at least.
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Urban is getting hammered in the media by many, the University is already going to take a huge hit here it looks like. I just don't see how they would risk the continued bad pr when a clean break would put this to bed in a year or two. There are a half dozen other coaches who could compete for titles who would sign on in a heartbeat. If OStU decides to keep Urban they deserve all the hell that breaks loose and then some.
 
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