Urban Meyer Only suspended 3 games

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I am really surprised at how ESPN is coming down hard on OSU and Meyer. Everyone I have heard is blasting them. But haven't heard from Herbstreit.
 
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Smokey X said:
I am really surprised at how ESPN is coming down hard on OSU and Meyer. Everyone I have heard is blasting them. But haven't heard from Herbstreit.
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Because of the claim they've staked politically, it is really difficult for ESPN to defend Urban when he's in this spot. Coming down hard and not giving anybody the benefit of the doubt if accused of or involved in domestic violence is kind of their thing, and in their view if you appeal for stuff like due process in those situations then you must be a sexist.

If he was accused of paying players or something, sure, they'd have a mostly full-throated defense of him or excuses. But not for this. Finebaum seems to be their leading analyst for providing commentary about this, and he's absolutely ripping the guy (shocker).
 
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Urban Meyer was a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing for many. Now the sheep's clothing has been ripped away for all (except OSU fans in denial).
 
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Smokey X said:
I am really surprised at how ESPN is coming down hard on OSU and Meyer. Everyone I have heard is blasting them. But haven't heard from Herbstreit.
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BSPN is just covering their tracks. They under-reported this story for weeks since too many $$$ is at stake for them. After things have been decided, they are finally "outraged". Again, I mentioned it earlier, Herbie was a lot quicker to point out the bird from Gaulden (and praising similar actions from Mayfield) than he has been on this story....
 
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05_never_again said:
Because of the claim they've staked politically, it is really difficult for ESPN to defend Urban when he's in this spot. Coming down hard and not giving anybody the benefit of the doubt if accused of or involved in domestic violence is kind of their thing, and in their view if you appeal for stuff like due process in those situations then you must be a sexist.

If he was accused of paying players or something, sure, they'd have a mostly full-throated defense of him or excuses. But not for this. Finebaum seems to be their leading analyst for providing commentary about this, and he's absolutely ripping the guy (shocker).
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This is a perfect example when a network taking a political stance backfires.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
BSPN is just covering their tracks. They under-reported this story for weeks since too many $$$ is at stake for them. After things have been decided, they are finally "outraged". Again, I mentioned it earlier, Herbie was a lot quicker to point out the bird from Gaulden (and praising similar actions from Mayfield) than he has been on this story....
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I love your profile pic.
 
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Smokey X said:
I am really surprised at how ESPN is coming down hard on OSU and Meyer. Everyone I have heard is blasting them. But haven't heard from Herbstreit.
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oh Herbie is not upset about the decision..In what I say and heard from him he was almost defending Urban..and said he just made a mistake and that was it..
What a tool he is....
Urban should not have a job...Winning is more important at OSU than morals.....
 
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05_never_again said:
Nowhere near an impartial investigation, I agree, but firing Urban wouldn't dismantle and ruin their football program. This season in particular might not meet expectations if they fired him, but the program is loaded and they'd be in a position to hire some top candidate once this season was over.

Remember they fired Tressel after an 11-2 season and Sugar Bowl victory, slogged through one year with interim Luke Fickell, then hired Urban. In the grand scheme of things firing Tressel, who went 94-22 overall, won a national title, and had the program humming when he was fired, wasn't a big deal. Ohio St is one of a handful of programs equipped to withstand something like that. Urban really isn't bigger than the program, although he is treated like he is.
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The difference is that they know there isn't another urban or other top coach waiting to take the job. By the time they fired Tressell Urban was no longer coaching and they knew they just had to ride the one rough year and then bring him in. This time they were looking into the abyss and they knew it would be a crap shoot finding a top coach, especially after having the last 2 fired over scandals. OSU knows if it fired Urban they would be marked as the school good coaches go to when they want their careers to die.

Sadly OSU was never gonna fire him. He could have been the wife beater and they wouldve sent him to treatment and fixed him all up. Just look at the staff Urban has and OSU knows they have a time bomb on their hands. Schiano was the beginning, this was the lead up, and the next thing will crumble the progam. Why take preventive messurements when you could win a few more games before it hits the fan.
 
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JFBanicki said:
The difference is that they know there isn't another urban or other top coach waiting to take the job. By the time they fired Tressell Urban was no longer coaching and they knew they just had to ride the one rough year and then bring him in. This time they were looking into the abyss and they knew it would be a crap shoot finding a top coach, especially after having the last 2 fired over scandals. OSU knows if it fired Urban they would be marked as the school good coaches go to when they want their careers to die.
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I agree there is no proven national title-winning coach available this time, but there are a bunch of good coaches out there who would be falling over themselves for that job. That job isn't any less attractive because of the scandals. Tressel was a long time ago and the penalties are gone, and there won't be any NCAA trouble associated with Urban's conduct. The program is loaded and a new coach could step in and win immediately, not all that different from Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma.
 
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TrueVolsGBOInsider said:
So urban is only out for 3 games, seems as though he got off rather easy. What’s worse, urban didn’t even apologize to Courtney smith at his press conference last night, nor did he mention her at all. The woman deserves more than that imo, Not cool at all in my book.
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Urban said that he "acted with his heart instead of with his head". I wanted to say no urban you acted with your head instead of your heart. Your heart should have told you to look after Courtney instead your head said that I need to win ball games. A disgrace!!
 
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They're not going to fire a coach that is 73-8 over six seasons unless they absolutely have to. Their worst year under Meyer was an 11-2 season.

Bring in a new coach and it's still starting over.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Ok, surely Tressel wouldn’t have been if this were the case.

And Joe for that matter at PsU
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As a general rule, you are given second chances as long as your talent or potential outweighs your baggage. If you have great talent, you can screw up royally, or have a bunch of minor screw ups, and you'll hang around.

Chip Kelly left Oregon because he was looking at an 18-month show cause and 3 years probation and wanted to go to the NFL. Identical situation to Pete Carroll. Those guys weren't fired...they got out of town on their own accord while the getting was good.

Jim Tressel was looking at a 5-year show cause and probation. If they kept Tressel, the NCAA penalties would have been much worse. The baggage outweighed the talent, so they demanded his resignation.

Joe Paterno was 84 years old when he was fired and the program had not been nationally competitive in many years. When his name began to be mentioned in connection with mishandling allegations of child rape, the baggage clearly outweighed the talent.

In the case of Urban, all of this looks bad, but given there are no penalties that hurt Ohio St's ability to be competitive in football, he remains. The baggage does not outweigh his talent.
 
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TheDeeble said:
They're not going to fire a coach that is 73-8 over six seasons unless they absolutely have to. Their worst year under Meyer was an 11-2 season.

Bring in a new coach and it's still starting over.
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I agree, which is why they did everything they could not to fire him. However, it would not be doom for their program if they had to get another coach. Honestly I bet they'd have an easier time finding a replacement than Alabama would in a similar situation, just because the expectations at Alabama are so incredible.
 
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The talking heads are all saying that the reason for the meeting lasting 12 hours was because UM would not accept the suspension. When did it become an option to not accept the punishment that your bosses lay out?
Tells me that the so called punishment was intended to be a token effort to try to say they took action while minimizing any impact to the season.
Would love to see their stadium be nearly empty.
 
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Smokey X said:
The talking heads are all saying that the reason for the meeting lasting 12 hours was because UM would not accept the suspension. When did it become an option to not accept the punishment that your bosses lay out?
Tells me that the so called punishment was intended to be a token effort to try to say they took action while minimizing any impact to the season.
Would love to see their stadium be nearly empty.
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Because Urban, along with other big coaches at other schools, are the ones that truly run the show. When OSU was debating whether or not to fire Tressel for the free tattoos thing, Gordon Gee (OSU Prez at the time) was asked if he was going to fire him. Gee responded "No, are you kidding? I'm just hoping the coach doesn't dismiss me." He was joking...kind of.

They were only going to fire him if they came across some kind of legal thing saying they had to. Ohio State's "out" in all of this appears to be that the University's domestic violence policy only required violence of a non-sexual nature to be reported after August 2016. This stuff with Zach Smith happened in 2015, so he wasn't legally required to report it. There's also conflicting info that he may or may not have told his immediate supervisor, the AD Gene Smith. If he did, that provides them another out.

The scuttlebutt is also saying that of all the people there yesterday, it was only the President of OSU who wanted him fired or a 3-game suspension. Most everyone else was saying something like a one-game suspension, or credit for "time served" and nothing additional.

To say they bent over backwards to keep him would be an understatement, but a ton of other schools would do the exact same thing. Football (or basketball, depending on the school) brings in so much money and visibility to the school, which means their livelihoods, and they'll do basically anything to protect it.
 
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I'll be curious to see if anything from the NCAA or a title IX suite comes out of this. 3 games seems pretty light. I'm shocked thaey didn't scapegoat somebody. You are usually better off claiming no wrongdoing than giving a slap on the wrist with and issue this charged.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I'll be curious to see if anything from the NCAA or a title IX suite comes out of this. 3 games seems pretty light. I'm shocked thaey didn't scapegoat somebody. You are usually better off claiming no wrongdoing than giving a slap on the wrist with and issue this charged.
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IMO, none of this even occurs if Urban doesn't lie to the media about it at Big 10 Media Days. His lie to the media is what really started the firestorm about this, because it indicated he had something to hide. If at Big 10 Media Days he said something like "no comment" or "I don't want to say anything until I have more information," he could have admitted later he did know about the 2015 arrest, fired Zach Smith, and apologized for not firing him earlier. I don't think that's in Urban's DNA though...I believe he thinks he's the victim in all of this, doesn't think he did anything wrong, and doesn't think he has to apologize or explain anything to anybody.

It still would "look bad" because he'd be firing him after Smith's arrest history went public, but he wouldn't have lied about anything.
 
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