Urban Meyer Only suspended 3 games

Because Urban, along with other big coaches at other schools, are the ones that truly run the show. When OSU was debating whether or not to fire Tressel for the free tattoos thing, Gordon Gee (OSU Prez at the time) was asked if he was going to fire him. Gee responded "No, are you kidding? I'm just hoping the coach doesn't dismiss me." He was joking...kind of.

They were only going to fire him if they came across some kind of legal thing saying they had to. Ohio State's "out" in all of this appears to be that the University's domestic violence policy only required violence of a non-sexual nature to be reported after August 2016. This stuff with Zach Smith happened in 2015, so he wasn't legally required to report it. There's also conflicting info that he may or may not have told his immediate supervisor, the AD Gene Smith. If he did, that provides them another out.

The scuttlebutt is also saying that of all the people there yesterday, it was only the President of OSU who wanted him fired or a 3-game suspension. Most everyone else was saying something like a one-game suspension, or credit for "time served" and nothing additional.

To say they bent over backwards to keep him would be an understatement, but a ton of other schools would do the exact same thing. Football (or basketball, depending on the school) brings in so much money and visibility to the school, which means their livelihoods, and they'll do basically anything to protect it.


If you are OSU you would think this has to be a pretty bad eyesore on the entire university and possible future issues with recruiting. I mean with all the extra stuff coming out now about him other than just this. I wouldn't want any kid I know ever playing for a scumbag like him. I guess we will see what happens in the next few months if they start having decommits.
 
IMO, none of this even occurs if Urban doesn't lie to the media about it at Big 10 Media Days. His lie to the media is what really started the firestorm about this, because it indicated he had something to hide. If at Big 10 Media Days he said something like "no comment" or "I don't want to say anything until I have more information," he could have admitted later he did know about the 2015 arrest, fired Zach Smith, and apologized for not firing him earlier. I don't think that's in Urban's DNA though...I believe he thinks he's the victim in all of this, doesn't think he did anything wrong, and doesn't think he has to apologize or explain anything to anybody.

It still would "look bad" because he'd be firing him after Smith's arrest history went public, but he wouldn't have lied about anything.
He said as much during the presser.

I think his pride played a part at the beginning. I'll hire and fire whoever I want and whenever I see fit. Then when he figured out his mouth had him in a corner he turns into the guy that doesn't know much about the facts and is giving a guy the benefit of the doubt because of his family connection. (I was trying to be a good guy, it just backfired)
 
If you are OSU you would think this has to be a pretty bad eyesore on the entire university and possible future issues with recruiting. I mean with all the extra stuff coming out now about him other than just this. I wouldn't want any kid I know ever playing for a scumbag like him. I guess we will see what happens in the next few months if they start having decommits.
Perhaps, but recruits think about what school they are going to attend from a livelihood perspective too. Especially the elite, highly-touted ones that have legitimate aspirations of going pro. No different than a university protecting a star coach that brings home the bacon. If they think Ohio St and Urban gives them the best chance to turn pro, most will still go there.
 
IMO, none of this even occurs if Urban doesn't lie to the media about it at Big 10 Media Days. His lie to the media is what really started the firestorm about this, because it indicated he had something to hide. If at Big 10 Media Days he said something like "no comment" or "I don't want to say anything until I have more information," he could have admitted later he did know about the 2015 arrest, fired Zach Smith, and apologized for not firing him earlier. I don't think that's in Urban's DNA though...I believe he thinks he's the victim in all of this, doesn't think he did anything wrong, and doesn't think he has to apologize or explain anything to anybody.

It still would "look bad" because he'd be firing him after Smith's arrest history went public, but he wouldn't have lied about anything.

You're probably right. But, he did, and now it's an issue. We'll see how much of an outcry there is. That will probably decide if the NCAA does anything. Who knows with title IX. As we know to well, that can pop up anytime.
 
"the school could not determine whether Meyer did it to erase those texts, or if it was a setting he always had on his phone"


So...how did they attempt to 'determine' if the settings were changed that day?? Did they ask Meyer or Vitolini? This whole 'independent investigative team' shtick is a farce.

I think this is far from being over for Urbie. I think there'll be too much backlash and rightfully so.
 
"the school could not determine whether Meyer did it to erase those texts, or if it was a setting he always had on his phone"


So...how did they attempt to 'determine' if the settings were changed that day?? Did they ask Meyer or Vitolini? This whole 'independent investigative team' shtick is a farce.

I think this is far from being over for Urbie. I think there'll be too much backlash and rightfully so.
A lot of the information that they didn't have is information that they could have found if they really wanted to. The investigation they conducted wasn't independent at all. The Working Group they formed had 6 people; 3 of them were OSU trustees. One of the 3 non-trustees used to be a trustee and has a degree from OSU.

I think they consciously didn't kick over certain rocks because they were afraid what was underneath.
 
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A lot of the information that they didn't have is information that they could have found if they really wanted to. The investigation they conducted wasn't independent at all. The Working Group they formed had 6 people; 3 of them were OSU trustees. One of the 3 non-trustees used to be a trustee and has a degree from OSU.

I think they consciously didn't kick over certain rocks because they were afraid what was underneath.
I was fairly sure that was going to be the case when I saw who made up this 'independent' team.

But the report was even less passive than that. The snippets re: medication that has memory impairment as a side effect (sans any note of evidence that pointed to that being the case), 'we believe UM has deep respect for women' are DEAD giveaways there was an agenda(s) ongoing.
 
I hope the parents of future football players look really hard at Urban Liar's legacy......is that what you want your son to become?, there are many teams they can play on that can get their sons into the NFL............preferably UT, but there are others, if that is your thing =]
 
IMO, none of this even occurs if Urban doesn't lie to the media about it at Big 10 Media Days. His lie to the media is what really started the firestorm about this, because it indicated he had something to hide. If at Big 10 Media Days he said something like "no comment" or "I don't want to say anything until I have more information," he could have admitted later he did know about the 2015 arrest, fired Zach Smith, and apologized for not firing him earlier. I don't think that's in Urban's DNA though...I believe he thinks he's the victim in all of this, doesn't think he did anything wrong, and doesn't think he has to apologize or explain anything to anybody.

It still would "look bad" because he'd be firing him after Smith's arrest history went public, but he wouldn't have lied about anything.
I don’t think it was so much that he lied to the media about his knowledge of the incident, it’s that he inferred that McMurphy made it up and that he was forced to fire Zach Smith because of the overreaction. If McMurphy hadn’t had his ducks in a row, the national media UM apologists would have sold that narrative.
 
The most damning thing I've heard from all of this is that tOSU acknowledged Urban Meyer has a medical condition that provides him with what amounts to as selective amnesia but he is the highest paid public employee in the state. WTF. This should be the focal point. He has memory issues that never seem to come up while coaching?
 
I'm willing to bet that Saban wouldn't pour up with it. He could get 5 of that guy at the drop of a hat.
You are wrong. Saban would absolutely put up with anyone who he thought could give him an advantage. He recruits 5 star defensive linemen all the time and yet he accepted Jonathan Taylor as a transfer, who had been dismissed by Georgia over domestic abuse charges. Taylor was later convicted of misdemeanors related to those charges and then dismissed by Saban once another set of allegations surfaced against Taylor while at Alabama.
 
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You are wrong. Saban would absolutely put up with anyone who he thought could give him an advantage. He recruits 5 star defensive linemen all the time and yet he accepted Jonathan Taylor as a transfer, who had been dismissed by Georgia over domestic abuse charges. Taylor was later convicted of misdemeanors related to those charges and then dismissed by Saban once another set of allegations surfaced against Taylor while at Alabama.
What downside was there to giving him a "second" chance? None. There was/is a downside to keeping a coach like that. So you are right, advantage taking the player, disadvantage keeping the coach.
 
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What downside was there to giving him a "second" chance? None. There was/is a downside to keeping a coach like that. So you are right, advantage taking the player, disadvantage keeping the coach.
Taylor had charges of domestic violence pending against him at the time Saban accepted him as a transfer. He didn't wait for those charges to be adjudicated. What downside was there to giving Taylor a second chance? He was accused of it again while at Alabama and Saban was then forced to dismiss a player who had only been on campus for a few months. There is no difference between the two. None.
 
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So the reason the meeting went so long wasn't related to objections over the suspension. That had been figured out by mid-afternoon. I won't go into it specifically, but lets just say there were multiple statements drafted that needed to be run by folks outside the athletic department.

We also learned that Zach Smith was sent to rehab a few years ago by Meyer.

We also learned that Smith and an unnamed former OSU coach (probably Herman) treated some HS coaches in Florida to a night at a strip club. I believe that's going to be considered a major recruiting violation. I have no doubt the NCAA will soon be visiting Columbus.
 
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I was fairly sure that was going to be the case when I saw who made up this 'independent' team.

But the report was even less passive than that. The snippets re: medication that has memory impairment as a side effect (sans any note of evidence that pointed to that being the case), 'we believe UM has deep respect for women' are DEAD giveaways there was an agenda(s) ongoing.
The "Urban has a bad memory" line is hilariously bad for 2 reasons:

1) If Urban really has a memory problem and did something that he ended up getting punished for because of it, wouldn't that be illegal? Isn't that a violation of ADA or something?
2) He has a bad memory, but he did remember he needed to delete text messages from over a year ago when the McMurphy story broke. In fact, that's the very first thing he thought of when the story broke.
 
The "Urban has a bad memory" line is hilariously bad for 2 reasons:

1) If Urban really has a memory problem and did something that he ended up getting punished for because of it, wouldn't that be illegal? Isn't that a violation of ADA or something?
2) He has a bad memory, but he did remember he needed to delete text messages from over a year ago when the McMurphy story broke. In fact, that's the very first thing he thought of when the story broke.
You add to that the idea he tried to sell that he was trying to help Smith because of his family connections and didn't use his head instead of his "heart" and they have at least made an attempt to make him appear to be a victim.

If you want to give a coach the benefit of the doubt as a coach because you are connected to his family which is connected to the school nobody will care. When you re doing that knowing his track record as a person going back almost a decade, its no longer about what you're doing for him but rather what you think he's doing for you.
 
You add to that the idea he tried to sell that he was trying to help Smith because of his family connections and didn't use his head instead of his "heart" and they have at least made an attempt to make him appear to be a victim.

If you want to give a coach the benefit of the doubt as a coach because you are connected to his family which is connected to the school nobody will care. When you re doing that knowing his track record as a person going back almost a decade, its no longer about what you're doing for him but rather what you think he's doing for you.
I agree, but what in the world was Zach Smith doing for Urban? I'm not an Ohio St fan obviously so perhaps I don't fully "get" the Earle Bruce connection, but that alone being the reason for Urban's loyalty to Smith doesn't add up. Urban is going to go down as one of the best college football coaches of all time (as far as pure performance on the field). He risked his entire career and reputation to defend a dime-a-dozen, replacement-level wide receivers coach. I get the family loyalty and understand why he'd give him the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent, but not the level that he did.

It seems entirely possible Smith has some type of dirt on Urban; however, maybe it is something else because Urban doesn't seem like the type of guy who cares how he is perceived.
 
I agree, but what in the world was Zach Smith doing for Urban? I'm not an Ohio St fan obviously so perhaps I don't fully "get" the Earle Bruce connection, but that alone being the reason for Urban's loyalty to Smith doesn't add up. Urban is going to go down as one of the best college football coaches of all time (as far as pure performance on the field). He risked his entire career and reputation to defend a dime-a-dozen, replacement-level wide receivers coach. I get the family loyalty and understand why he'd give him the benefit of the doubt to a certain extent, but not the level that he did.

It seems entirely possible Smith has some type of dirt on Urban; however, maybe it is something else because Urban doesn't seem like the type of guy who cares how he is perceived.
Its quiet possible it was a combination of him being good at his job, Meyers connection to his family and he knew things that could damage Meyer. You couple the last one with the idea that this guy was an unpredictable loon and I'm sure Meyer was being as careful and thoughtful for his best interests. Add in Meyers arrogance that hes beyond reprimand and I think you have what you have.

On the cuff the gamble of keeping him around doesn't make sense any other way.
 
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Ohio State is the public face of what win at all costs looks like. Not so much as an ounce of moral integrity, but hey, they will still win the Big 10 and make it in the playoffs.
 
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