Urban Meyer will never win a National Title without Tim Tebow.

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I wouldnt go so far as to say he will never win another one without tebow. I dont think Tebows backup will be as good as he is so there will be some drop off. How much only time will tell.
 
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The 2008 Gators aren't the best team nor is Tebow the best player. If you could wave a magic wand and have them play the '95 Cornhuskers again, you'd end up with the same result...Huskers running roughshod over UF's smaller but faster defense. Statistically Meyer may have one more NC in him somewhere down the road. It's not the end of the world and won't be, UF has flirted with an undefeated season several times and don't have one yet. They backed into all 3 NC games '96, '06 and '08 just as we backed into the SECCG last year (They needed help). I seem to remember Tebow playing in '07 and UF getting 4 loses including a beating by Michigan. The USC Trojans have just as much talent as UF and how has that worked out for them? The only reason the SEC has 3 in a row (AND THE ONLY REASON) is that the SEC has been considered the toughest conference in college football for the past 3 seasons....if not for that the SEC would probably have just 1 and it would not have been a 2 loss LSU team.

To refresh your memory....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VojVTyYWGds
 
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kptvol said:
I don't think Tebow threw a meaningful pass in 2006. Everyone knew he was going to run.
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Take Tebow out of the 2006 LSU game and UF loses hands down and no NC. Tebow was 2/2 passing for 36 yrds and 2 touchdowns, 9 rushing attempts for 35 yrds and a touchdown final score...23-10 and 18 of those points were Tebow's. If you remember that's the game where he threw the jump pass over LSU's goal line.
 
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UTchris37 said:
The 2008 Gators aren't the best team nor is Tebow the best player. If you could wave a magic wand and have them play the '95 Cornhuskers again, you'd end up with the same result...Huskers running roughshod over UF's smaller but faster defense. Statistically Meyer may have one more NC in him somewhere down the road. It's not the end of the world and won't be, UF has flirted with an undefeated season several times and don't have one yet. They backed into all 3 NC games '96, '06 and '08 just as we backed into the SECCG last year (They needed help). I seem to remember Tebow playing in '07 and UF getting 4 loses including a beating by Michigan. The USC Trojans have just as much talent as UF and how has that worked out for them? The only reason the SEC has 3 in a row (AND THE ONLY REASON) is that the SEC has been considered the toughest conference in college football for the past 3 seasons....if not for that the SEC would probably have just 1 and it would not have been a 2 loss LSU team.

To refresh your memory....YouTube - 1995 Championship game Huskers vs Gators
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Just curious, how did we back into the game this year?
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
Just curious, how did we back into the game this year?
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Didn't other teams have to loose for the Gators to move up in the rankings after their loss or did Tebow just lay hands on the polls and miracle their a*ses there. The same way UT got into the SECCG last year....we didn't take care of business and had to wait for UF and UGA to screw up. At week 5 UF was #12 after their loss and it took til week 13 to get into the top 2 in the AP, on Nov 2nd they were 5th in the BCS poll and had to wait for Penn State and Texas Tech to loose. Had Texas Tech not got thrashed or Penn State not blown a close game we wouldn't be having this discussion unless we were talking about UF in the Sugar Bowl.
 
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UTchris37 said:
Didn't other teams have to loose for the Gators to move up in the rankings after their loss or did Tebow just lay hands on the polls and miracle their a*ses there.
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That's how college football plays out. What teams were you talking about that had to lose in order for the gators to "back in?"
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
That's how college football plays out. What teams were you talking about that had to lose in order for the gators to "back in?"
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Evidently the 11 that were ranked ahead of UF after their week 5 loss.....im not knocking UF, they had a good year but they needed help. Going wire to wire, 14-0 is taking care of business, having to wait and be dependent on other teams to loose is backing your way in regardless of how good you are. You see, last year UT fans had to hear from UGA fans, Gator fans and LSU fans on how we backed into the SECCG....and how UGA should have been there when we beat the snot out of them head to head and did what we had to do to get there, I figure same rule applies now.
 
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UTchris37 said:
Didn't other teams have to loose for the Gators to move up in the rankings after their loss or did Tebow just lay hands on the polls and miracle their a*ses there. The same way UT got into the SECCG last year....we didn't take care of business and had to wait for UF and UGA to screw up. At week 5 UF was #12 after their loss and it took til week 13 to get into the top 2 in the AP, on Nov 2nd they were 5th in the BCS poll and had to wait for Penn State and Texas Tech to loose. Had Texas Tech not got thrashed or Penn State not blown a close game we wouldn't be having this discussion unless we were talking about UF in the Sugar Bowl.
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Is that not the beauty of college football? Any team can play well and win on any given saturday. As for Penn State, they proved they weren't good. Texas Tech was decent, great home-field team, away games and neutral-site games they couldn't get it done. The part about backing into the BCS Nat'l Championship game is the part I didn't get. We lost 1 game in the toughest conference in the country by 1 point on an extra point. We played 11 teams that were in bowl games. We beat the #1 team in the country in the SEC championship game. What part was undeserving or how did we "back in?" In '06 we had help. That's college football. To play in the Championship game, everyone needs help. Were you referring the undefeated season and comparing it to UT's 98 season? As for Tebow - he was the best player in the country last year and this year. You know this. If he comes back to win another championship and possibly heisman, he will probably become the greatest college football player ever. As for the Gators this year, no they are not the greatest team of all time, BUT I would line them up against anyone.
 
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UTchris37 said:
Evidently the 11 that were ranked ahead of UF after their week 5 loss.....im not knocking UF, they had a good year but they needed help. Going wire to wire, 14-0 is taking care of business, having to wait and be dependent on other teams to loose is backing your way in regardless of how good you are. You see, last year UT fans had to hear from UGA fans, Gator fans and LSU fans on how we backed into the SECCG....and how UGA should have been there when we beat the snot out of them head to head and did what we had to do to get there, I figure same rule applies now.
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I, for one, didn't say you backed in. That's college football. We didn't take care of business when we had the chance. No complaining here, we didn't get it done. UT finished strong and that D came alive. You played better towards the end. It's not about how you start, but how you finish. And last year UT finished strong.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
Is that not the beauty of college football? Any team can play well and win on any given saturday. As for Penn State, they proved they weren't good. Texas Tech was decent, great home-field team, away games and neutral-site games they couldn't get it done. The part about backing into the BCS Nat'l Championship game is the part I didn't get. We lost 1 game in the toughest conference in the country by 1 point on an extra point. We played 11 teams that were in bowl games. We beat the #1 team in the country in the SEC championship game. What part was undeserving or how did we "back in?" In '06 we had help. That's college football. To play in the Championship game, everyone needs help. Were you referring the undefeated season and comparing it to UT's 98 season? As for Tebow - he was the best player in the country last year and this year. You know this. If he comes back to win another championship and possibly heisman, he will probably become the greatest college football player ever. As for the Gators this year, no they are not the greatest team of all time, BUT I would line them up against anyone.
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I never said it wasn't deserving, UF did what they had to do to get there and congrats on that. Tebow won the Heisman last year, he didn't this year so many people didn't consider him to be. If Gator fans consider him the best ever, thats fine, there are Vol fans that think Manning is the best ever and thats cool too......for me....Ive seen many Heisman trophy winners play and none are head and shoulders above anyone else, would UF have won without Tebow, yes, they would have... at least 10 wins a year because that's what they do. The best college football player ever would be someone who was on a team that just plain sucked without them and would be lucky to get 5 wins and that one special player put them over the top....who that is, i have no idea....I don't have time to look at a hundred years of stats.
 
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TRIONZ VOL said:
Pete Carrol is the best coach in the Nation. I'm sorry he has better players and they were the best team in the nation this year. Sorry not the gators. USC has the best D in the nation. They are more athletic on the entire roster than FL
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Doesn't matter. How are do you justify USC as the best when they lost to that powerhouse Oregon State?

USC is the equivalent of FSU in the 90s. They lose to a mediocre team in October every year, then cry "we're the best team, put is in the NC game". FAct is, they don't take care of business by beating the teams they should (i.e. OSU in 08, Stanford in 07, UCLA in 06).
 
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UTchris37 said:
Take Tebow out of the 2006 LSU game and UF loses hands down and no NC. Tebow was 2/2 passing for 36 yrds and 2 touchdowns, 9 rushing attempts for 35 yrds and a touchdown final score...23-10 and 18 of those points were Tebow's. If you remember that's the game where he threw the jump pass over LSU's goal line.
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The jump pass was nice, but it occurred from what, the one yard line? It's pretty freaking likely they could have picked that up with a RB. And so what? So Tebow helped Urban win the 2006 NC. Big freaking deal. He won with a kicker that couldn't make field goals, a QB that couldn't run, an offensive line he said wasn't that good, and a host of other players that didn't have the skills he wanted for his offense. He still won an NC, with all those handicaps. I imagine that he's now bringing whoever he wants to Gainesville that he can win a lot of games without Timmy. They actually won this year by leaning a lot less on Tebow than the did last year.
 
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VictoryVille101 said:
That's how college football plays out. What teams were you talking about that had to lose in order for the gators to "back in?"
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Chris seems to forget that UT had to have things happen for them to play in the NC in 98. Clint Stoerner fumble?!?! Also a missed FG in overtime versus FL. Also it must be nice to play FSU with their backup qb for the title.:good!:
 
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tng8r said:
Chris seems to forget that UT had to have things happen for them to play in the NC in 98. Clint Stoerner fumble?!?! Also a missed FG in overtime versus FL. Also it must be nice to play FSU with their backup qb for the title.:good!:
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It was probably nice for them to play us without our tailback that nearly broke Barry Sanders' season yardage record.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The fact that you consistenly misspell "lose" tells me all I need to know.
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If you are referring to me, I could give 2 ounces of sh*t. When I post, I usually post late and could care less how it's spelled, it's an informal forum you idiot. You got the point didn't you....Anyone that joins another teams forum to spew their bullcrap is a prick anyway, that tells me all I need to know.
 
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UTchris37 said:
If you are referring to me, I could give 2 ounces of sh*t. When I post, I usually post late and could care less how it's spelled, it's an informal forum you idiot. You got the point didn't you....Anyone that joins another teams forum to spew their bullcrap is a prick anyway, that tells me all I need to know.
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He's been here a while. Probably more respected than you are. Just sayin...
 
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