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Darth_Shiveman said:
If we can't contain Keaton we could find ourselves needing to open the playbook wide open.

We're gonna need Maggit and Vereen to make his life hell and set an edge well if we're gonna keep them from scoring or moving the chains with his legs.

Their WRs don't worry me too badly, but Keaton's legs scare the hell out of me.
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Even if they get disconnected from the player ? :blink:
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
No disrespect intended to USU, or their fans, but this one is not even close. UT...big.

The only way this game is even a game, and it could play out this way, is if UT keeps it very vanilla so as to not show OU our playbook, or our best weapons.

"You can't make chicken salad out of chicken (censored)." That sums up USU's chances in Neyland.

Go Vols.
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Not picking on you, but anybody who overlooks another team based on recruiting rankings must have forgotten the scare Air Force put on us in 2006. I'll bet USU has higher ranked recruits than the 2006 Air Force team. Don't forget the 2008 loss to Wyoming also.

In 2006 UT was ranked top 25 and finished 9-3 reg season with a trip to the Outback bowl. We'd all happily take that record for the 2014 season.

Anything can happen on a football field.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If we can't contain Keaton we could find ourselves needing to open the playbook wide open.

We're gonna need Maggit and Vereen to make his life hell and set an edge well if we're gonna keep them from scoring or moving the chains with his legs.

Their WRs don't worry me too badly, but Keaton's legs scare the hell out of me.
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People forgetting about Keetons new surgically repaired knee. doubt he is that awesome his first game back.
 
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walkenvol said:
Not picking on you, but anybody who overlooks another team based on recruiting rankings must have forgotten the scare Air Force put on us in 2006. I'll bet USU has higher ranked recruits than the 2006 Air Force team. Don't forget the 2008 loss to Wyoming also.

In 2006 UT was ranked top 25 and finished 9-3 reg season with a trip to the Outback bowl. We'd all happily take that record for the 2014 season.

Anything can happen on a football field.
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Anything can change off the field also. There is a difference in the examples above and today.

The major change between then and now is that CBJ has changed the culture of the team this is the major difference.

This is not going to happen the first game of the season in Coach Jones second season. USU can dream predict all they want but Jones has got too much to lose and little to gain in this game.

I don't expect to see any USU fan on here not thinking it is going to be close, but reality is that it will not be close. 2 TD to 3 TD win.

Not a lot of unknowns in this game Worley will start others will play, RBs will run, Many WRs will play and catch, fans will show up and be fanatics, conditioning and strength will be apparent. It will be Hot and humid, under the lights and on National TV. Start of the Sec Network era and a hungry team seeking recognition more than USU.

So no upset, not even close.
 
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#208
RiseToTheTop said:
People forgetting about Keetons new surgically repaired knee. doubt he is that awesome his first game back.
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This. They will not expose him in Neyland.. They will see real quick that it's not worth risking their season. He will play, but will stay in the pocket
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
People forgetting about Keetons new surgically repaired knee. doubt he is that awesome his first game back.
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He hurt it early in the season though. Randolph also tore blew his knee out in early 2012 and was fine by week 1. Adrian Peterson ran for 2000 yards after tearing his ACL.

I think we'll be fine, but I don't think we should count him out because of the knee injury.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
People forgetting about Keetons new surgically repaired knee. doubt he is that awesome his first game back.
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Agree 100%. Every player ever other than AP has struggled their first year back off that type of injury....not to mention the first game. Doubt he's "himself" vs UT.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
He hurt it early in the season though. Randolph also tore blew his knee out in early 2012 and was fine by week 1. Adrian Peterson ran for 2000 yards after tearing his ACL.

I think we'll be fine, but I don't think we should count him out because of the knee injury.
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not everyone is adrian peterson. he is a rare exception.

he hurt it in October. same day basically as Keith Marshall who may not even play this year.

for every adrian peterson example you give me i give you Curt Maggitt, Justin Hunter and Marlin Lane examples who couldnt get over the mental part of the recovery in order to play full speed.

Keeton is a dual QB and has a new O Line. So no, im not going to count him out but im not going to just act like he will be awesome in his first game back. Because i dont think he will.


its likely the first full contact he will have seen with guys really coming at him will be against UT.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
not everyone is adrian peterson. he is a rare exception.

he hurt it in October. same day basically as Keith Marshall who may not even play this year.

for every adrian peterson example you give me i give you Curt Maggitt, Justin Hunter and Marlin Lane examples who couldnt get over the mental part of the recovery in order to play full speed.

Keeton is a dual QB and has a new O Line. So no, im not going to count him out but im not going to just act like he will be awesome in his first game back. Because i dont think he will.


its likely the first full contact he will have seen with guys really coming at him will be against UT.
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I'm just saying not to sleep on the guy is all. Yeah he was hurt, but he's a great athlete.

Sometimes great athletes overcome bad injuries.
 
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walkenvol said:
Not picking on you, but anybody who overlooks another team based on recruiting rankings must have forgotten the scare Air Force put on us in 2006. I'll bet USU has higher ranked recruits than the 2006 Air Force team. Don't forget the 2008 loss to Wyoming also.

In 2006 UT was ranked top 25 and finished 9-3 reg season with a trip to the Outback bowl. We'd all happily take that record for the 2014 season.

Anything can happen on a football field.
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True. If Jones has quit on his team or let the game pass him by or has been told he was being fired... or frankly has hired incompetents to work for him... then all of the things you list are relevant.
 
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#214
USU has some players that can hurt UT. UT has far more talent overall. Wells has to outcoach Jones by a significant margin and they have to get some really good bounces for USU to win. If breaks are nominal and coaching is even equal then UT's talent is 17+ pts better.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
If we can't contain Keaton we could find ourselves needing to open the playbook wide open.

We're gonna need Maggit and Vereen to make his life hell and set an edge well if we're gonna keep them from scoring or moving the chains with his legs.

Their WRs don't worry me too badly, but Keaton's legs scare the hell out of me.
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Agreed. And UT has had trouble with mobile QB's.

Still...for some reason, I think UT will be able to commit a safety to the box in this one, and (hopefully) get improved play from the LB's. Keaton, if he's at full speed, can be an issue. But if UT can lock down their WR's, and contain the backs...then that will allow the front 7 to tee off on Keaton.

If...IF...that happens, long day for USU.

I think it will.

Go Vols.
 
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As a side note I am looking forward to my trip to Knoxville. Besides tailgating and mingling with you good Tennessee folks at the game, what should I be eating/doing while I'm in Knoxville?
 
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#219
sjt18 said:
True. If Jones has quit on his team or let the game pass him by or has been told he was being fired... or frankly has hired incompetents to work for him... then all of the things you list are relevant.
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Possible to explain away the 2008 Wyoming game, but not the 2006 Air Force game. I'm pro-CBJ, but he hasn't done anything beyond his 2013 recruiting class equal to what CPF and staff was doing for a decade ending around 2006.

Air Force is a perfect example of why coaches never discount any opponent.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Anything can change off the field also. There is a difference in the examples above and today.

The major change between then and now is that CBJ has changed the culture of the team this is the major difference.

This is not going to happen the first game of the season in Coach Jones second season. USU can dream predict all they want but Jones has got too much to lose and little to gain in this game.

I don't expect to see any USU fan on here not thinking it is going to be close, but reality is that it will not be close. 2 TD to 3 TD win.

Not a lot of unknowns in this game Worley will start others will play, RBs will run, Many WRs will play and catch, fans will show up and be fanatics, conditioning and strength will be apparent. It will be Hot and humid, under the lights and on National TV. Start of the Sec Network era and a hungry team seeking recognition more than USU.

So no upset, not even close.
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I tend to agree with your prediction being the most likely outcome. However, I still stand by my eariler posts of any given Saturday a team can be defeated by a lesser talented team if the stars line up that day.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Agreed. And UT has had trouble with mobile QB's.

Still...for some reason, I think UT will be able to commit a safety to the box in this one, and (hopefully) get improved play from the LB's. Keaton, if he's at full speed, can be an issue. But if UT can lock down their WR's, and contain the backs...then that will allow the front 7 to tee off on Keaton.

If...IF...that happens, long day for USU.

I think it will.

Go Vols.
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I'll be curious to see how the UT Defense handles mobile QBs with a healthy Maggitt as well as speed and depth which we haven't had in a long time.
 
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#222
The problem with that SB analysis and all of its kind is that it does not and cannot factor in difficulty of schedule AND the costs of a more difficult schedule.

But if you want to believe that USU is the better team based on performance against the competition they play... then we probably won't be able to convince you otherwise.
 
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walkenvol said:
Possible to explain away the 2008 Wyoming game, but not the 2006 Air Force game. I'm pro-CBJ, but he hasn't done anything beyond his 2013 recruiting class equal to what CPF and staff was doing for a decade ending around 2006.

Air Force is a perfect example of why coaches never discount any opponent.
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They shouldn't. In a forum like this, we discuss what we expect or think is likely. Football is an odd game where sometimes you get very unexpected outcomes. If the coaching and breaks are neutral then UT should win this game by 17+ pts. I base that on the complete mismatch between UT's WR's and USU's secondary. Their fans expect their LB's to smack UT around like they would New Mexico. I don't. I full well expect them to have more than they can handle with Lane, Hurd, and company.

But I wouldn't call Fulmer post-2000 a very good coach. He had an entitlement mentality. He got lazy and got left behind by innovative coaches. Looking ack now... AFA was a warning sign and especially following 2005.

If what we've seen in the last 4 seasons is a flooded river delta.... then Fulmer's last 4 or 5 seasons were the head waters. His performance specifically from around 2004 to 2008 is EXACTLY how the Vols got to where they were. Dooley left Jones a tough situation. Fulmer left Kiffin/Dooley an even tougher one in terms of talent.
 
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sjt18 said:
The problem with that SB analysis and all of its kind is that it does not and cannot factor in difficulty of schedule AND the costs of a more difficult schedule.

But if you want to believe that USU is the better team based on performance against the competition they play... then we probably won't be able to convince you otherwise.
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Not all of the article is legit. Never said USU was better. Paints a pretty fair picture when talking about returning starters and analyzing units as a whole.
 
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Madmartigan said:
Not all of the article is legit. Never said USU was better. Paints a pretty fair picture when talking about returning starters and analyzing units as a whole.
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Yeah. I might have been a little harsh on you but the article was pretty homerish without even attempting to account for the level of competition.

I think most would agree that calling a defense "ridiculous" is a bit much when the scoring D avg was so dependent on teams like Weber St, Hawaii, New Mexico, and Wyoming. In relative terms, UT's D wasn't very good last year. On the teams they played that approached that "level"... let's call it USA, WKU, APSU, and UK... UT allowed less than 15 ppg.
 
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