USU Scrimmage

[Vol865]

South Alabama Jaguars
Won 31-24

Until we can blow out teams like this the way we used to, we won't have the respect of being a big game for such teams. The USU fans can be forgiven for being as loony as we are. Because the past few years we've been a 90LBS weakling for our usual foes to the point even low tier teams were a struggle for us. So I wouldn't sneer at USU at this point or insult their fanbase. If I was in their shoes and based on recent history, I'd be confident too. OK, well. . . semi-confident. We have to prove in these dismal times we're to be feared and respected as we were in days of yore. Until then expect to be disrespected.Personally, I believe this is the season we make strides toward the road back to respectability.

They lost to every above average team they played.....yes they beat NIU but its not hard to stop a team with one goid player.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

He tore his acl only a week or two before Keeton tore his. You never know with a knee. You might get healthy but it's a huge mental hurdle to get back on the field and be same player that quickly. I read where they have been worried about their RBs. They moved a LB last week to RB and he's never played there. They have one kid listed as the starter who has pretty anemic stats for his career. So he hasn't gotten a ton of carries. The other back on the spring depth chart weighs about 165lbs. Yes gray is fast I just remember Troy torching him a couple yrs back. He's raw and had pretty bad technique. He's also only 170lbs.

Thanks for the info. That 165 pound back is going to be in for a rough day assuming he gets more than a few carries, and unless that linebacker turns out to be the next Myles Jack I'm not too concerned.

 

[sjt18]

Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability. If he can't run then he will struggle. He's most effective throwing the ball short. His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep.

USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. Reynolds who was their top statistical WR was also the guy who "showed up" against the better opponents. Their listed starters at WR totaled about 800 yds last year. They have little to no depth behind them.

Seven of the top 11 tacklers from last year's team are gone. They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB.

In short, I have gone from believing this would be a challenge and a "scare" to believing UT should beat them handily. They simply do not return the kind and amount of talent they need to hang with the Vols.

It is football. Weird stuff happens. But this should be a game that UT controls and wins by 20 or better.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability. If he can't run then he will struggle. He's most effective throwing the ball short. His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep.

USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. Reynolds who was their top statistical WR was also the guy who "showed up" against the better opponents. Their listed starters at WR totaled about 800 yds last year. They have little to no depth behind them.

Seven of the top 11 tacklers from last year's team are gone. They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB.

In short, I have gone from believing this would be a challenge and a "scare" to believing UT should beat them handily. They simply do not return the kind and amount of talent they need to hang with the Vols.

It is football. Weird stuff happens. But this should be a game that UT controls and wins by 20 or better.

spot on

 

[Orange_Crush]

Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability. If he can't run then he will struggle. He's most effective throwing the ball short. His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep.

USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. Reynolds who was their top statistical WR was also the guy who "showed up" against the better opponents. Their listed starters at WR totaled about 800 yds last year. They have little to no depth behind them.

Seven of the top 11 tacklers from last year's team are gone. They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB.

In short, I have gone from believing this would be a challenge and a "scare" to believing UT should beat them handily. They simply do not return the kind and amount of talent they need to hang with the Vols.

It is football. Weird stuff happens. But this should be a game that UT controls and wins by 20 or better.

I predict that UT will win with the game never really being in question after the first quarter. I also predict that the final score will probably look closer than it actually was, simply due to sportsmanship and CBJ trying to get as many guys playing time as possible.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability. If he can't run then he will struggle. He's most effective throwing the ball short. His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep.

USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. Reynolds who was their top statistical WR was also the guy who "showed up" against the better opponents. Their listed starters at WR totaled about 800 yds last year. They have little to no depth behind them.

Seven of the top 11 tacklers from last year's team are gone. They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB.

In short, I have gone from believing this would be a challenge and a "scare" to believing UT should beat them handily. They simply do not return the kind and amount of talent they need to hang with the Vols.

It is football. Weird stuff happens. But this should be a game that UT controls and wins by 20 or better.

also lose 4 out of 5 OL starters. one guy who was going to be counted on this year is no longer on the team. they are going through the same changes as we are on the O Line.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh, and I also predict that USU fans will stick around and complain that we're arrogant and not giving their team the respect they deserve.

 

[ficklez]

Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability. If he can't run then he will struggle. He's most effective throwing the ball short. His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep.

USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. Reynolds who was their top statistical WR was also the guy who "showed up" against the better opponents. Their listed starters at WR totaled about 800 yds last year. They have little to no depth behind them.

Seven of the top 11 tacklers from last year's team are gone. They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB.

In short, I have gone from believing this would be a challenge and a "scare" to believing UT should beat them handily. They simply do not return the kind and amount of talent they need to hang with the Vols.

It is football. Weird stuff happens. But this should be a game that UT controls and wins by 20 or better.

glad to see some real talk on the game. also glad to see some informed analysis.

"Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability."

Definitely true. He is a good runner. He is practicing now, which is 3.5 months ahead of schedule, so I feel good about his return. He had been walking without crutches for a few months already.

"His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep."

Half true. We ran a lot of screens with Kerwynn Williams two seasons ago, but not last year. I'd say Keeton threw around 6-10 screens all season before he got hurt. We threw a few more with the backup QB to get him into the rhythm of games though. As for the deep ball, keeton has an excellent one. He completes a fairly high percentage of them and it is rarely intercepted. Over his career, he is 83/110 on 3rd and long (7+ yards) which is 75%. I don't know how many of those are long passes, and I wish there was a way to see stats on a true deep ball, but I think that is indicative that he can complete longer passes.


"USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. "
This is true going by the stats. At WR, we will miss reynolds and Van Leeuwen for sure. Swindall is good and our most athletic receiver; natson is tiny but very very fast. We had good depth last year, and I'm not worried about WR at all. I think we go six deep just fine. They don't have the numbers, but they backed up some 4 year starters and two who went on to the NFL (one quit, one is on the 49ers).You mentioned we return 800 yards at WR, but it's more like 1,200. I know that you have a lot of good WRs coming in, but for comparison, your leading WR returning has under 300 yards. I'm not saying ours are better. I'd take your freshman WR recruits over ours without hesitation. I'm just saying that if inexperience hurts one set of receivers, it isn't ours.

As for RB, we lose two guys who started out 3rd and 4th on the depth chart but moved up due to injuries. Demartino ended up being good, although he wasn't explosive. He really stepped up and played well when we needed him to, especially in the bowl game. However, Joe Hill, our main RB who was injured last year, is a very good player that has played behind 3 RBs drafted in the last 2 years to the NFL. If not for that, he would have some better production on paper. He has great hands and is speedy, but is coming off an ACL. He suffered it the first week of October, so I imagine he will be back to full strength, but you never know. If he can't go week 1, we are in a little trouble. I think we'd be okay, but it won't be a strength like it will if Hill can go full speed.

"They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB."
Definitely true about losing good ones. One will be drafted and a safety has a shot.

As for the size, I don't know what size you expect at DB. we go 5-11 170/5-11 185. Yours are 6-1 180 and 5-10/177. Very similar to me. Safeties go 6-3 205/6-1 201. Yours go 6-0 199/6-1 204. So you average 1 pound more and 1 inch taller at CB and 1.5 inches shorter and 4 pounds less at safety. It's a wash to me, and I wouldn't call either side really very small.


The biggest concern you left off is OL. We lost a center who will be drafted and 3 other starters. We have 3 guys who have starting experience, but it is always hard to replace a 4-year starting NFL guy. I haven't seen the line play yet, so I don't know how they'll be. Our OL likes to cut block on the line to tire out bigger DLs, so expect a lot of that.

 

[KBVol]

glad to see some real talk on the game. also glad to see some informed analysis.

"Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability."

Definitely true. He is a good runner. He is practicing now, which is 3.5 months ahead of schedule, so I feel good about his return. He had been walking without crutches for a few months already.

"His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep."

Half true. We ran a lot of screens with Kerwynn Williams two seasons ago, but not last year. I'd say Keeton threw around 6-10 screens all season before he got hurt. We threw a few more with the backup QB to get him into the rhythm of games though. As for the deep ball, keeton has an excellent one. He completes a fairly high percentage of them and it is rarely intercepted. Over his career, he is 83/110 on 3rd and long (7+ yards) which is 75%. I don't know how many of those are long passes, and I wish there was a way to see stats on a true deep ball, but I think that is indicative that he can complete longer passes.


"USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. "
This is true going by the stats. At WR, we will miss reynolds and Van Leeuwen for sure. Swindall is good and our most athletic receiver; natson is tiny but very very fast. We had good depth last year, and I'm not worried about WR at all. I think we go six deep just fine. They don't have the numbers, but they backed up some 4 year starters and two who went on to the NFL (one quit, one is on the 49ers).You mentioned we return 800 yards at WR, but it's more like 1,200. I know that you have a lot of good WRs coming in, but for comparison, your leading WR returning has under 300 yards. I'm not saying ours are better. I'd take your freshman WR recruits over ours without hesitation. I'm just saying that if inexperience hurts one set of receivers, it isn't ours.

As for RB, we lose two guys who started out 3rd and 4th on the depth chart but moved up due to injuries. Demartino ended up being good, although he wasn't explosive. He really stepped up and played well when we needed him to, especially in the bowl game. However, Joe Hill, our main RB who was injured last year, is a very good player that has played behind 3 RBs drafted in the last 2 years to the NFL. If not for that, he would have some better production on paper. He has great hands and is speedy, but is coming off an ACL. He suffered it the first week of October, so I imagine he will be back to full strength, but you never know. If he can't go week 1, we are in a little trouble. I think we'd be okay, but it won't be a strength like it will if Hill can go full speed.

"They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB."
Definitely true about losing good ones. One will be drafted and a safety has a shot.

As for the size, I don't know what size you expect at DB. we go 5-11 170/5-11 185. Yours are 6-1 180 and 5-10/177. Very similar to me. Safeties go 6-3 205/6-1 201. Yours go 6-0 199/6-1 204. So you average 1 pound more and 1 inch taller at CB and 1.5 inches shorter and 4 pounds less at safety. It's a wash to me, and I wouldn't call either side really very small.


The biggest concern you left off is OL. We lost a center who will be drafted and 3 other starters. We have 3 guys who have starting experience, but it is always hard to replace a 4-year starting NFL guy. I haven't seen the line play yet, so I don't know how they'll be. Our OL likes to cut block on the line to tire out bigger DLs, so expect a lot of that.

Good, fair post. Appreciate your information and decorum. Only one correction though..... our leading returning WR for last year is Marquez North who had 496 yds last year. Nothing to really about but it's significantly more than "under 300 yards".

Carry on.

 

[ficklez]

Good, fair post. Appreciate your information and decorum. Only one correction though..... our leading returning WR for last year is Marquez North who had 496 yds last year. Nothing to really about but it's significantly more than "under 300 yards".

Carry on.

That's true, and Pig had more yards than 300 too but he wasn't listed on the depth chart I was using.

 

[KBVol]

That's true, and Pig had more yards than 300 too but he wasn't listed on the depth chart I was using.

No worries. Unfortunately Pig, who was our leading WR with 44 receptions will more than likely no longer be on the team.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Whatsoever, for any cause,
They want to take or give
Power above or beyond Vols,
Suffer it not to live!
A Holy State or Holy Aggie King--
Or Wholly USU’s Will--
Have no truck with the senseless thing.
Down their throats ram a chill pill!
Saying --after--me:--

Once there were The Aggies–smug pride gave them birth;
Once there were The Aggies, they planned hell for Neyland’s turf
Neyland’s guardians arose and crushed them. Listen, O' Orangemen!
Prideful Aggies strutted into Neyland Stadium–but never will again!

—Apologies to Ruyard Kipling---

Fer that you need to apologize to Rudy much more profusely, offer 7 years of fealty and indentured servitude.

 

[FootVolintheFall]

Good, fair post. Appreciate your information and decorum. Only one correction though..... our leading returning WR for last year is Marquez North who had 496 yds last year. Nothing to really about but it's significantly more than "under 300 yards".

Carry on.

Although a JUCO transfer, Von Pearson had 39 catches for 757 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2012. He will be the other offensive threat. I predict we will stretch the field early for a couple quick scores and make USU play from behind. We'll then favor the running attack of Marlin Lane and Jalen Hurd to shorten the game the best we can.

 

[VFL34]

In college, I can tell u first hand.. No division 1-a team or a top tier division 2-a team is a cake walk. A lot of athletes that don't have grades stack up to make a d2a team a force. And as for d-1 athletes, if you have speed you can contend with anyone. So no game is ever a cake walk game unless u play like an Austin peay or something.

 

[ficklez]

Although a JUCO transfer, Von Pearson had 39 catches for 757 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2012. He will be the other offensive threat. I predict we will stretch the field early for a couple quick scores and make USU play from behind. We'll then favor the running attack of Marlin Lane and Jalen Hurd to shorten the game the best we can.

I'm not a fan of hoping JC production turns to FBS production. We have a guy who had 49 for 757 yards in JC and he won't crack the 2 deep. we also have a guy coming in who switched from west virginia. I hope he has talent.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Georgia Southern 26 Florida 20

I guess Florida is no longer respectable and a big game for us. They did, after all, lose to a lower division team.

Great logic.

I suggest you not respond to my posts. According to you, I'm the most annoying poster on VN. The question arises again, why are you reading my posts instead of placing me on IGNORE? The leave me alone and I'll leave you alone logic works for those with sense enough to follow it. Can you?

 

[butchna]

glad to see some real talk on the game. also glad to see some informed analysis.

"Keeton is coming off an injury. Much of his passing effectiveness is predicated on his ability to force teams to respect his running ability."

Definitely true. He is a good runner. He is practicing now, which is 3.5 months ahead of schedule, so I feel good about his return. He had been walking without crutches for a few months already.

"His completion % is helped alot by the number of screens they run. He tends to float the ball badly at times when throwing deep."

Half true. We ran a lot of screens with Kerwynn Williams two seasons ago, but not last year. I'd say Keeton threw around 6-10 screens all season before he got hurt. We threw a few more with the backup QB to get him into the rhythm of games though. As for the deep ball, keeton has an excellent one. He completes a fairly high percentage of them and it is rarely intercepted. Over his career, he is 83/110 on 3rd and long (7+ yards) which is 75%. I don't know how many of those are long passes, and I wish there was a way to see stats on a true deep ball, but I think that is indicative that he can complete longer passes.


"USU loses their top 2 WR's from last year and top 2 RB's. "
This is true going by the stats. At WR, we will miss reynolds and Van Leeuwen for sure. Swindall is good and our most athletic receiver; natson is tiny but very very fast. We had good depth last year, and I'm not worried about WR at all. I think we go six deep just fine. They don't have the numbers, but they backed up some 4 year starters and two who went on to the NFL (one quit, one is on the 49ers).You mentioned we return 800 yards at WR, but it's more like 1,200. I know that you have a lot of good WRs coming in, but for comparison, your leading WR returning has under 300 yards. I'm not saying ours are better. I'd take your freshman WR recruits over ours without hesitation. I'm just saying that if inexperience hurts one set of receivers, it isn't ours.

As for RB, we lose two guys who started out 3rd and 4th on the depth chart but moved up due to injuries. Demartino ended up being good, although he wasn't explosive. He really stepped up and played well when we needed him to, especially in the bowl game. However, Joe Hill, our main RB who was injured last year, is a very good player that has played behind 3 RBs drafted in the last 2 years to the NFL. If not for that, he would have some better production on paper. He has great hands and is speedy, but is coming off an ACL. He suffered it the first week of October, so I imagine he will be back to full strength, but you never know. If he can't go week 1, we are in a little trouble. I think we'd be okay, but it won't be a strength like it will if Hill can go full speed.

"They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB."
Definitely true about losing good ones. One will be drafted and a safety has a shot.

As for the size, I don't know what size you expect at DB. we go 5-11 170/5-11 185. Yours are 6-1 180 and 5-10/177. Very similar to me. Safeties go 6-3 205/6-1 201. Yours go 6-0 199/6-1 204. So you average 1 pound more and 1 inch taller at CB and 1.5 inches shorter and 4 pounds less at safety. It's a wash to me, and I wouldn't call either side really very small.


The biggest concern you left off is OL. We lost a center who will be drafted and 3 other starters. We have 3 guys who have starting experience, but it is always hard to replace a 4-year starting NFL guy. I haven't seen the line play yet, so I don't know how they'll be. Our OL likes to cut block on the line to tire out bigger DLs, so expect a lot of that.

"Walking without crutches" huh?....KICKING AZZ!!! :rock:

 

[WoodsmanVol]

ficklez, thanks for the informative post. Though I have lurked in the USUFANS board a few times, I think I got more and better info from you than there. Really appreciated it.

 

[sjt18]

Half true. We ran a lot of screens with Kerwynn Williams two seasons ago, but not last year. I'd say Keeton threw around 6-10 screens all season before he got hurt.

Not throwing stones at you but I'd say he threw almost that many in a single game highlight video I saw.

As for the deep ball, keeton has an excellent one. He completes a fairly high percentage of them and it is rarely intercepted. Over his career, he is 83/110 on 3rd and long (7+ yards) which is 75%.

USU doesn't seem to get out of character on 3rd and long. They still tend to throw it short and let guys run.

In just the few video highlight clips I watched this morning, Keeton threw up some ducks. He may correct it... but it is a potential problem for you if UT forces him to throw it down field.

On 3rd and 10+ yds to go, Keeton drops to 47%. Worley was at 50% vs much better competition. That is a better measure of throwing the ball deep.

I am unsure if USU tracks stats like that but I have seem them on Bray... I just cannot remember where. He did complete a very high percentage of his passes that were caught 10 yds+ from the LOS.

...I think that is indicative that he can complete longer passes.

He "can". But then he floats up some ducks. Just a cusory look at his highlights suggested he does not throw very well when he has to put air under the ball.

You mentioned we return 800 yards at WR, but it's more like 1,200.

No. I said the starters had about 800 between them.

I know that you have a lot of good WRs coming in, but for comparison, your leading WR returning has under 300 yards. I'm not saying ours are better. I'd take your freshman WR recruits over ours without hesitation. I'm just saying that if inexperience hurts one set of receivers, it isn't ours.

It isn't just inexperience. It is the combination of experience and talent.

Your guys may surprise me but it is far more common when mid-majors "pop up" on to the screen on the strength of some good but overlooked players... that they fade just as quickly when those particular players are gone. Nevada makes a good example of that. Mid-majors that have runs like Boise are exceptions.

As for RB, we lose two guys who started out 3rd and 4th on the depth chart but moved up due to injuries. Demartino ended up being good, although he wasn't explosive. He really stepped up and played well when we needed him to, especially in the bowl game. However, Joe Hill, our main RB who was injured last year, is a very good player that has played behind 3 RBs drafted in the last 2 years to the NFL. If not for that, he would have some better production on paper. He has great hands and is speedy, but is coming off an ACL. He suffered it the first week of October, so I imagine he will be back to full strength, but you never know. If he can't go week 1, we are in a little trouble. I think we'd be okay, but it won't be a strength like it will if Hill can go full speed.

You are the expert on your team... but Hill has one 100 yd game to his credit and that against a FCS school. He only has 75 career attempts and under 346 yds vs FBS opponents.

Lane has been a career back up for UT. He has two 100 yd games against FBS schools and avg's close to 5 ypc. His avg per carry vs the SEC is about the same as Hill's against all FBS opponents... including some of the really very bad teams that you all have played recently like Hawaii last year.

"They lost good DB's and do not have size at DB."
Definitely true about losing good ones. One will be drafted and a safety has a shot.

As for the size, I don't know what size you expect at DB. we go 5-11 170/5-11 185. Yours are 6-1 180 and 5-10/177. Very similar to me. Safeties go 6-3 205/6-1 201. Yours go 6-0 199/6-1 204. So you average 1 pound more and 1 inch taller at CB and 1.5 inches shorter and 4 pounds less at safety. It's a wash to me, and I wouldn't call either side really very small.

You may be correct about UT's published weights. Coleman is definitely bigger than 180 now. Closer to 200 lbs iirc. Not something you would necessarily know but UT doesn't routinely update their height/weight tables. There is a very slim chance that UT will start a DB that weighs under 185. IIRC, Moseley has already gained about 20 lbs as a Fr who might contribute at CB.

But that isn't the real issue. The issue is the match ups. UT is huge at WR. Tall and big. Your depth chart lists one WR over 200 lbs that I saw. At least 5 WR's for UT in their regular rotation will weigh over 200 lbs... and as a group... they are likely faster and more athletic than USU's guys.

The biggest concern you left off is OL. We lost a center who will be drafted and 3 other starters. We have 3 guys who have starting experience, but it is always hard to replace a 4-year starting NFL guy. I haven't seen the line play yet, so I don't know how they'll be. Our OL likes to cut block on the line to tire out bigger DLs, so expect a lot of that.

Good info. That certainly doesn't help your cause. On the other side, UT is going smaller/quicker on the DL this year. After being force fed for a few years to try to become 3-4 DL's, some of these guys will play at a more natural weight.

 

[KBVol]

Although a JUCO transfer, Von Pearson had 39 catches for 757 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2012. He will be the other offensive threat. I predict we will stretch the field early for a couple quick scores and make USU play from behind. We'll then favor the running attack of Marlin Lane and Jalen Hurd to shorten the game the best we can.

Good post. I was obviously only referring to returning WRs from last year's roster. I agree with you about Von...he's gonna be a beast. While your at it, why not list his 2013 stats.... they're much more impressive-

90 catches
1,598 yds
12 tds
In 10 games

 

[FootVolintheFall]

I'm not a fan of hoping JC production turns to FBS production. We have a guy who had 49 for 757 yards in JC and he won't crack the 2 deep. we also have a guy coming in who switched from west virginia. I hope he has talent.

He made SC Top Ten in spring practice with a one handed grab. He also got our best cover corner turned around on a simply hitch route and made him break his ankles trying to catch up. I normally don't hang my hat on JUCOs other, but this kid is the real deal. He'll be in the slot with North and Croom on the outside. Not worried about our WR against your DBs at all.

 

[FootVolintheFall]

Good post. I was obviously only referring to returning WRs from last year's roster. I agree with you about Von...he's gonna be a beast. While your at it, why not list his 2013 stats.... they're much more impressive-

90 catches
1,598 yds
12 tds
In 10 games

Thanks KB!

 

[butchna]

Not throwing stones at you but I'd say he threw almost that many in a single game highlight video I saw.

USU doesn't seem to get out of character on 3rd and long. They still tend to throw it short and let guys run.

In just the few video highlight clips I watched this morning, Keeton threw up some ducks. He may correct it... but it is a potential problem for you if UT forces him to throw it down field.

On 3rd and 10+ yds to go, Keeton drops to 47%. Worley was at 50% vs much better competition. That is a better measure of throwing the ball deep.

I am unsure if USU tracks stats like that but I have seem them on Bray... I just cannot remember where. He did complete a very high percentage of his passes that were caught 10 yds+ from the LOS.

He "can". But then he floats up some ducks. Just a cusory look at his highlights suggested he does not throw very well when he has to put air under the ball.


No. I said the starters had about 800 between them.

It isn't just inexperience. It is the combination of experience and talent.

Your guys may surprise me but it is far more common when mid-majors "pop up" on to the screen on the strength of some good but overlooked players... that they fade just as quickly when those particular players are gone. Nevada makes a good example of that. Mid-majors that have runs like Boise are exceptions.

You are the expert on your team... but Hill has one 100 yd game to his credit and that against a FCS school. He only has 75 career attempts and under 346 yds vs FBS opponents.

Lane has been a career back up for UT. He has two 100 yd games against FBS schools and avg's close to 5 ypc. His avg per carry vs the SEC is about the same as Hill's against all FBS opponents... including some of the really very bad teams that you all have played recently like Hawaii last year.

You may be correct about UT's published weights. Coleman is definitely bigger than 180 now. Closer to 200 lbs iirc. Not something you would necessarily know but UT doesn't routinely update their height/weight tables. There is a very slim chance that UT will start a DB that weighs under 185. IIRC, Moseley has already gained about 20 lbs as a Fr who might contribute at CB.

But that isn't the real issue. The issue is the match ups. UT is huge at WR. Tall and big. Your depth chart lists one WR over 200 lbs that I saw. At least 5 WR's for UT in their regular rotation will weigh over 200 lbs... and as a group... they are likely faster and more athletic than USU's guys.


Good info. That certainly doesn't help your cause. On the other side, UT is going smaller/quicker on the DL this year. After being force fed for a few years to try to become 3-4 DL's, some of these guys will play at a more natural weight.

I'm glad you're using these powers on the enemy now.

 

[24/7vol]

I'm glad you're using these powers on the enemy now.

Ditto

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Good, fair post. Appreciate your information and decorum. Only one correction though..... our leading returning WR for last year is Marquez North who had 496 yds last year. Nothing to really about but it's significantly more than "under 300 yards".

Carry on.

Exactly. North basically only played 10 games. Came out early in the 1st QTR vs VU and missed UK.
He can say what he wants but Marquez will be one of the first WRs off the board as far as WRs go in 2016 NFL Draft. Kid is a 6'4 221 freak. What's scary is Malone is the smoothest of all. More polished than North was this time last yr. Croom is familiar with Dan Gray and he's developing nicely.Croom is one the biggest Receivers in CFB if not the biggest. Pearson will be hell to defend in the slot with his length and exceptional shiftiness. His feet are on another level than most top tier skill players in CFB. It is what it is fickelz. People can say what they want about lack of experience but talent is ultimately king. USU wont shock these kids with their speed or talent. Just see Ole Miss last year. Tunsil, Golson, Engram, Nkemdiche, Connor, Treadwell. Freshman everywhere and still competing on the highest level. We should be similar.


btw i dont know what Corner he said was 177lbs but Coleman is listed at 190lbs and Cam is 180lb. Jones is 183lbs, Payne is 184lbs, M. Williams is 186lbs, Foreman 181lbs, and Moseley will be the smallest but hes an absolute burner and has great length. he will be alright. its not like their WRs can push him around as they dont weigh much more and he sees absolute monsters in practice everyday