USU Scrimmage

[ficklez]

I'm taking it you never played DB.

Two years in 8-9 grade as a small white boy at a private school.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

I suggest you not respond to my posts. According to you, I'm the most annoying poster on VN. The question arises again, why are you reading my posts instead of placing me on IGNORE? The leave me alone and I'll leave you alone logic works for those with sense enough to follow it. Can you?

Nobody cares about you getting your feelings hurt. The simple fact you can't retort the retortless flaw in your inane rantings only further proves your worth here.

 

[butchna]

Nobody cares about you getting your feelings hurt. The simple fact you can't retort the retortless flaw in your inane rantings only further proves your worth here.

Woods can go up and down the spectrum but he brings a lot of sports goodness......…I don't know who you are :glare:

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Woods can go up and down the spectrum but he brings a lot of sports goodness......…I don't know who you are :glare:

Sometimes it's a little gratuitous, but he's a quality poster who brings a lot to the board. That's more than most can say.

 

[VOLinNC]

My worry with USU is that when UT finds the "diamonds on the rough" alas E. Moseley, Von Pearson etc... Other schools and recruiting services take notice and they get more offers and get reevaluated, but when USU offer a 2-3* player that's just normal practice . So what if there coaches have a great eye for talent and have a roster full of under the radar baller's!
Hopefully just thinking too much lol

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Ficklez, just some stuff thrown in. I don’t think Butch is exactly what you’d call a fan of JUCO players. But like many coaches in the SEC, he doesn’t ignore immediate or just faster help and depth chart building. With players who have some experience and a significant upside.

As Butcha pointed out, the type of JUCO players USU selects and what we select is very different. In most cases, you go that route for much of the same reasons we do but your options are not the same as ours. Often, we go for and get highly sought players who major colleges all across the country want but these guys have grade issues. So off to JC they go. We maintain and build a relationship so that when they got their grades in order, we get them. They are often 4-5 star players coming out of high school, whereas it’s practically a miracle if you get such players. Can and do some of these hotshot JUCO’s end up being busts. YEP! YOU BET! But many end up being so good they get drafted before they graduate. Remember that Farley guy at Auburn? Patterson, here at Tennessee? Just examples of many, many such players we see but USU most likely won’t. No insult meant, you just don’t offer the type of stage to get noticed big time. Huge TV exposure. NFL scouts frequently visiting what are historical hot beds of talent. Watching them go up against players and teams that themselves have NFL coveted talent. Etc. These players, even the academically dumb ones know places like USU just doesn’t get them that level of notice. So except in very rare instances, you don’t see the type of JUCO players we do.

The current crop of JUCOs have yet to be proven in gametime. If they play without the cockiness that even Patterson exhibited, they will be very difficult to stop. Patterson would high step and taut defenders. This got TDs called back, yard penalties etc. I think Jones would pull their rearends out of the game and send them to the showers to make sure they understand that unlike the previous coach, he won’t stand for it. You hurt the team, CBJ will hurt your exposure to the big stage. But the point here is, the quality of JUCOs we see and what you end up with is not the same. It really is as simple as that.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

My worry with USU is that when UT finds the "diamonds on the rough" alas E. Moseley, Von Pearson etc... Other schools and recruiting services take notice and they get more offers and get reevaluated, but when USU offer a 2-3* player that's just normal practice . So what if there coaches have a great eye for talent and have a roster full of under the radar baller's!
Hopefully just thinking too much lol

I doubt very seriously they have an entire 2 deep full of under the radar ballers lol they just don't get exposed often bc they play nobody.

 

[Burger]

Oh, you actually think you possess skills in writing that are superior to that of the general population?

Your imagination has reached its pique, I see. Please, continue to amuse.

Considering a lot of people can't read which is only increasing btw. I would bet woods writes better than 50% of American population.

 

[VolAllen]

I doubt very seriously they have an entire 2 deep full of under the radar ballers lol they just don't get exposed often bc they play nobody.

Hahaha dude thinks they have 22 "diamonds in the rough". Seriously, they might have ONE, and he'll claim his High School team when he makes it to the NFL. USU is a joke, and they'll lose to UT by 21+ points.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Nice to see that an ex-Vol is making a bit of noise elsewhere. This is the second positive reference I have seen about Daniel Gray at USU. I'd love to know who threw that pass ole Dan Gray stole. Would you happen to know, ficklez?

USU Scrimmage 2: Daniel Gray intercepts Darell Garretson - YouTube

Hope the guy finds his niche and does well there.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

we didnt see much of that when he was at UT

 

[Orange_Crush]

we didnt see much of that when he was at UT

Please don't mention competition level to the USU folks.


SSShhhhhhhhh......

 

[RiseToTheTop]

Please don't mention competition level to the USU folks.


SSShhhhhhhhh......

haha i know right.. that ball was overthrown big time on that video.

i saw him live against GA State and Troy. That was all i needed to see.

 

[ag4fr]

I don't care if it is past, present, or future, I'm not a fan of talking down 18 - 23 year old kids.

A few of you guys are gracious enough, but others of you are really jerks toward your former player.

The facts are that Daniel Gray is/was:

1. Good enough to be a highly rated recruit by many programs coming out of high school.

2. Good enough to be signed by "Top Ten Program" and "Perennial SEC Power", Tennessee.

3. Good enough to be thrown into the fire as a true freshman while playing for UT and get significant playing time. I'm not sure there are many college cornerbacks that are good enough to play as true freshmen. Let alone in the SEC.

Now, according to some of you, he is terrible and will never amount to anything on the football field.

The logical conclusions therefore must be:

1. UT coaches that recruited Daniel Gray were LOUSY evaluators of talent.

2. UT coaches that threw him into the game as a true freshman had zero idea what they were doing.

3. UT coaches that coached Daniel Gray were very poor in their teaching and player development.

I realize some of this is just pre-season jockeying, but I would ask you to show a little respect for a kid that came and gave UT his time and heart and mind.

It's a small person that would not wish a kid well if/when he decides that he needs to transfer to another school... for whatever reason.

 

[butchna]

I don't care if it is past, present, or future, I'm not a fan of talking down 18 - 23 year old kids.

A few of you guys are gracious enough, but others of you are really jerks toward your former player.

The facts are that Daniel Gray is/was:

1. Good enough to be a highly rated recruit by many programs coming out of high school.

2. Good enough to be signed by "Top Ten Program" and "Perennial SEC Power", Tennessee.

3. Good enough to be thrown into the fire as a true freshman while playing for UT and get significant playing time. I'm not sure there are many college cornerbacks that are good enough to play as true freshmen. Let alone in the SEC.

Now, according to some of you, he is terrible and will never amount to anything on the football field.

The logical conclusions therefore must be:

1. UT coaches that recruited Daniel Gray were LOUSY evaluators of talent.

2. UT coaches that threw him into the game as a true freshman had zero idea what they were doing.

3. UT coaches that coached Daniel Gray were very poor in their teaching and player development.

I realize some of this is just pre-season jockeying, but I would ask you to show a little respect for a kid that came and gave UT his time and heart and mind.

It's a small person that would not wish a kid well if/when he decides that he needs to transfer to another school... for whatever reason.

Lot of words :glare:...could have said "MARBLES ARE PRETTY" or "I CAN COUNT TO 10" and gotten the same point across. :crazy:

 

[ag4fr]

Lot of words :glare:...could have said "MARBLES ARE PRETTY" or "I CAN COUNT TO 10" and gotten the same point across. :crazy:

Hmmm. Fairly simple statements but I'm not surprised you couldn't read and understand.

BTW - Nice use of the emoticons. I can see that pictures work better for you.

 

[butchna]

Hmmm. Fairly simple statements but I'm not surprised you couldn't read and understand.

BTW - Nice use of the emoticons. I can see that pictures work better for you.

Still...WAAAAYYY too many...:victory:

 

[Orange_Crush]

I don't care if it is past, present, or future, I'm not a fan of talking down 18 - 23 year old kids.

A few of you guys are gracious enough, but others of you are really jerks toward your former player.

The facts are that Daniel Gray is/was:

1. Good enough to be a highly rated recruit by many programs coming out of high school.

2. Good enough to be signed by "Top Ten Program" and "Perennial SEC Power", Tennessee.

3. Good enough to be thrown into the fire as a true freshman while playing for UT and get significant playing time. I'm not sure there are many college cornerbacks that are good enough to play as true freshmen. Let alone in the SEC.

Now, according to some of you, he is terrible and will never amount to anything on the football field.

The logical conclusions therefore must be:

1. UT coaches that recruited Daniel Gray were LOUSY evaluators of talent.

2. UT coaches that threw him into the game as a true freshman had zero idea what they were doing.

3. UT coaches that coached Daniel Gray were very poor in their teaching and player development.

I realize some of this is just pre-season jockeying, but I would ask you to show a little respect for a kid that came and gave UT his time and heart and mind.

It's a small person that would not wish a kid well if/when he decides that he needs to transfer to another school... for whatever reason.

Wait a minute, pointing out the difference in competition is disrespectful and throwing a player under the bus? Many of us (including me) have wished him well and hope to see him succeed. But that doesn't change the fact that he didn't shine at UT and was recruited over.

We find it somewhat funny when we go to the USU board and see comments to the effect that the talent differential isn't that great considering one of your players used to be on the UT squad. Question: If he was going to compete at UT and get meaningful playing time, do you think he would have transferred backwards to the MWC?

The basic facts of the matter is that he was recruited over and wasn't going to compete at UT. This is indicative of the talent differential between our squads. The cream of your crop was out-talented here. Sorry. That may hurt your feelings. It doesn't mean we're disrespecting him. It's just the truth. I'm sure we all hope he wins all-MWC athlete of the year. Truth be told, as someone who contributed in the SEC, but couldn't beat out the better players, he may just win all-MWC athlete of the year.

Again... Sorry.

 

[Orange_Crush]

By the way... The cream of your crop had .8 tackles per game in SEC play. Perhaps if we just quote statistics, it won't seem so personal to you.

5 total solo tackles while at UT.

2 against Ga ST
2 Against Troy
1 against SEC competition (USCe), total.

Zero sacks.
Zero fumble recoveries.
Zero pass breakups.
Zero interceptions.

 

[FootVolintheFall]

and this goes to only prove my point. Stats aren't indicative. I'm more impressed by his stars than by his stats. The post i quoted, and that you have taken my post out of context from, was saying he was good because of his stats.

Hey man, I/we appreciate that you're on our board providing some in-depth analysis of the game. I also think you may be missing what we are trying to explain at the WR position.

We had a really good freshman last year, Marquez North, that made amazing catches and was about the most dependable receiver game-in and game-out. Others contributed, some with great grabs, at different points during the season, but North was about the only one that was reliable. Partially, due to injuries and changes at the QB but also lack of production of others. Combined with the fact that our running game was good, but not great simply allowed a defense to play man, shadow North with the safety and then stack the box. Even Vandy figured it out: cover North and make someone else win the game.

What we expect and have started to see for 2014 is Croom finally finding his place on the team and become more productive after two years on the team. While we lost Pig Howard, Vonn Pearson is a JUCO player we picked up. We happened to get an offer on him first and he was so impressed, he never considered another school even after he started to get more and more attention. Since stepping on the field, he's made several oustanding catches and even made more of our polished defensive backs look ridiculous.

Your original analysis seemed to think it was our incoming freshman that would may be the difference. While talented, they will likely only provide depth. Pearson is 22 yrs old and just as talented as the best receiver on the team last year with established production already. You can discount his JUCO stats if you wish, but before you do, I would encourage you to at least watch some of the practice videos on here. He will not be buried on our depth chart and will start from day 1.

With some stability at QB, our offense should be able to spread the defense more and make the LBs play more coverage and less at the line. With a (freshman) upgrade at RB, hopefully, we will return to a well-balanced offense.

 

[RiseToTheTop]

I wish Daniel nothing but the best I hope he does well. That doesn't change the facts though. He was never going to play anything but special teams. You are what you are. The fact is while we have some young guys they are more talented than Gray. He wasn't very coachable here and was very raw. He got benched very quickly when he did start. Nobody is trying to be disrespectul but those are the facts. He said he wanted to be closer to home so he transferred 2000 miles further West. Made no sense.

 

[butchna]

I wish Daniel nothing but the best I hope he does well. That doesn't change the facts though. He was never going to play anything but special teams. You are what you are. The fact is while we have some young guys they are more talented than Gray. He wasn't very coachable here and was very raw. He got benched very quickly when he did start. Nobody is trying to be disrespectul but those are the facts. He said he wanted to be closer to home so he transferred 2000 miles further West. Made no sense.

Maybe he just didn't apply himself...in geography :geek:

 

[DuckinVol]

The logical conclusions therefore must be:

1. UT coaches that recruited Daniel Gray were LOUSY evaluators of talent.

2. UT coaches that threw him into the game as a true freshman had zero idea what they were doing.

3. UT coaches that coached Daniel Gray were very poor in their teaching and player development.

Kudos. Most accurate and insightful post you've made. Those are some of the reasons that staff is no longer at UT. I have to give credit where it is due. It took many of us much longer to reach that conclusion.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

USU posters, who threw the pass that DG stole?

 

[butchna]

Kudos. Most accurate and insightful post you've made. Those are some of the reasons that staff is no longer at UT. I have to give credit where it is due. It took many of us much longer to reach that conclusion.

lol: :rofl: :lolabove: :lol: Ag...:lol: thought lol:...he was :rofl:....smart!!! :focus: