UT or OSU for the 8-seed? (Data)

#51
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volfanhill said:
The logic is protect the championship games. With UGA it's even easier to wash away. They've already beaten Texas. So it's a wash. I don't think you all understand how the committee will not allow conference championship games to be viewed as a henderence. Can't happen
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As long as they reward the winner with a bye, there needs to be an equally weighted negative consequence for the loser. That's what actually makes the game more meaningful.....which results in more viewers.....which results in more money......which we all know to be the driving force of everything.

If PN State losing means they are going to drop several places....the game instantly becomes much more interesting to viewers who are not PN St/Oregon fans.

I don't think you understand that the committee will not allow conference championship games to be viewed as meaningless.
 
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#52
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15 of the last 20 national champions have been SEC teams or as Texas is now in the SEC. Last year was Michigan and that was due to UGA being cut out in my humble opinion. So likely that National Champion will again be SEC. It’s harder to win the conference than the National Championship!
 
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luthervol said:
As long as they reward the winner with a bye, there needs to be an equally weighted negative consequence for the loser. That's what actually makes the game more meaningful.....which results in more viewers.....which results in more money......which we all know to be the driving force of everything.

It PN State losing means they are going to drop several places....the game instantly becomes much more interesting to viewers who are not PN St/Oregon fans.

I don't think you understand that the committee will not allow conference championship games to be viewed as meaningless.
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I agree with this. Championship games are completely meaningless to play if both teams are guaranteed not to move in the polls. Why would you risk playing that game if it had virtually no benefit but "bragging rights"

It's like playing the SEC tournament in basketball. Saying the conference winner gets an automatic bid is dumb when that team was already going to be a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament.

It makes it dumb and meaningless.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
I agree with this. Championship games are completely meaningless to play if both teams are guaranteed not to move in the polls. Why would you risk playing that game if it had virtually no benefit but "bragging rights"

It's like playing the SEC tournament in basketball. Saying the conference winner gets an automatic bid is dumb when that team was already going to be a 1 or 2 seed in the tournament.

It makes it dumb and meaningless.
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Yeah, SEC titles are pretty meaningless. No big deal.
 
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Bottom line: the committee is run by Big Ten homers. They don’t view losing to Michigan at home as a bad loss. They are wanting the Big Ten to advance. If anyone thinks they are sending OSU to TN to play well I disagree. The only way OSU does get sent to TN is the Michigan AD lets his dislike for OSU get in the way. JMO.
 
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UT97Vol said:
No they haven’t.
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Manuel has said as much but of course it's not explicit and of course it is not absolute. No one thinks that is if Ga loses 35-13 they wouldn't drop.

"We have a lot of value — we're not gonna speculate on what will happen — but we have a lot of value with the teams that make a championship game," Manuel said on ESPN in an interview with host Rece Davis. "That says a lot, playing 12 games in the regular season, making your championship game is a really valuable data point, No. 1.
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"No. 2, we're gonna evaluate the games and how teams play and the performance on the field. That's what the commissioners asked us to do. They didn't ask us to stop right before the championship game. They asked us to rank teams through the championship games."
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Yeah, SEC titles are pretty meaningless. No big deal.
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Ive been saying that since the early 2000s when the SEC was the only conference that had a football title game and no other conference had to go through that brutal game. Now it's equally ridiculous if both teams get "protected" then why in the world even play the game and add 1 more game to an already long schedule.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
Ive been saying that since the early 2000s when the SEC was the only conference that had a football title game and no other conference had to go through that brutal game. Now it's equally ridiculous if both teams get "protected" then why in the world even play the game and add 1 more game to an already long schedule.
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Because you're playing for a F'ing SEC title
 
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Heather Dinich said yesterday that this committee was "more into the eye test" than any she has seen in the last 6 years she has done her current job of analyzing the playoffs.

I would think the "eye test" favors us with OSU shatting the bed saturday, but who knows.

Which is the point. At the end of the day its going to be the committees opinions.
 
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luthervol said:
I also agree that the fact that we are ranked higher than Ohio State in both major polls adds appropriate pressure.
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If both the AP and the coaches all agree we are #6 it's just willfully ignorant to rank us lower just for spite and B10 bias.

To say OSU has a better resume is kind of willfully ignorant also when 2 of their "good" wins are against Indiana who the whole world knew was a fraud and who dropped 10 spots in the rankings and Ped St who people also widely view a frauds.

I especially view them as frauds once I saw how bad OSU played Michigan at home. If OSU can beat Ped St but not Michigan then how good is Ped St really?

I'd be willing to bet that Alabama (our best win) on a neutral field would be at either of those two teams handily. Beating Bama will always be more impressive than beating Indiana or Peen St.

Also when did Tennessee lose AT HOME to a 6 win team? It's far easier to lose a road game than a home game especially in the SEC.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Manuel has said as much but of course it's not explicit and of course it is not absolute. No one thinks that is if Ga loses 35-13 they wouldn't drop.
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Here’s exactly what he said and for those of you who think a conf champ game loser moves up in the ranking or stays the same please let us all know how you get to that conclusion…

“We try not to punish but we are watching the games. Not just ‘they lost’ but how did the game proceed? How was the performance?’

Ok, so whatcha got? What do you take from that says they get to keep their seed? If it’s a one possession game? UGA/Bama last year was a one possession game and UGA fell from #1 to out of the playoff. And that was their only loss. So here’s my rationale. Unless Georgia plays another overtime marathon against Texas it’s reasonable to expect some move down the rankings
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Manuel has said as much but of course it's not explicit and of course it is not absolute. No one thinks that is if Ga loses 35-13 they wouldn't drop.

"We have a lot of value — we're not gonna speculate on what will happen — but we have a lot of value with the teams that make a championship game," Manuel said on ESPN in an interview with host Rece Davis. "That says a lot, playing 12 games in the regular season, making your championship game is a really valuable data point, No. 1.
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"No. 2, we're gonna evaluate the games and how teams play and the performance on the field. That's what the commissioners asked us to do. They didn't ask us to stop right before the championship game. They asked us to rank teams through the championship games."
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No 2 is clearly saying that they will account for the results......Loser drops a couple of places.
 
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luthervol said:
I think this is the best summary....

www.sportingnews.com

College Football Playoff committee undermines its credibility with reality of weekly rankings show | Sporting News

The College Football Playoff committee's process for selecting and seeding teams too secret, and the inconsistencies of its weekly bracket presentation leave everyone involved wondering what matters.
www.sportingnews.com www.sportingnews.com
The process followed by the football committee is largely opaque. I sat through a conference call with two CFP administrators and heard far too many mentions of the “eye test” and essentially nothing about what metrics and measurements are valued or how to access the information and data.

The "eye test" is best translated as: We pick the teams we want.
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So the real question is (and has been on this board ): Does ESPN hate us?
 
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luthervol said:
Had a 10-1 TN team lost to Vandy at home in an ugly game while a 9-2 Ohio State team was beating Michigan convincingly on the road....................................

I guarantee you that Ohio State team would jump over the UT team with barely a discussion.
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Winner Winner Chicken Dinner and they would probably try to keep us out might still be the 12th seed
 
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In my mind there’s a good chance it will come down to how UGA and PSU play in their champ games. I don’t think moving those teams down 2-4 spots is out of the question with a bad performance. Otherwise I think we will be at OSU.
 
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UT97Vol said:
Here’s exactly what he said and for those of you who think a conf champ game loser moves up in the ranking or stays the same please let us all know how you get to that conclusion…

“We try not to punish but we are watching the games. Not just ‘they lost’ but how did the game proceed? How was the performance?’

Ok, so whatcha got? What do you take from that says they get to keep their seed? If it’s a one possession game? UGA/Bama last year was a one possession game and UGA fell from #1 to out of the playoff. And that was their only loss. So here’s my rationale. Unless Georgia plays another overtime marathon against Texas it’s reasonable to expect some move down the rankings
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And the year before TCU loses in their title game and their matchup was exactly the same as it was before their championship game...it also has to do with a comparison to the teams around you.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
And the year before TCU loses in their title game and their matchup was exactly the same as it was before their championship game...it also has to do with a comparison to the teams around you.
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Ya but wasn't that because other teams competing with TCU also lost? Therefore there was no reason to demote TCU? And wasn't TCU already undefeated while other conference champs had a loss?

I don't think this is as direct as your making it seem.
 
#74
#74
Might as well not rank teams by AP or coaches poll and stop playing championship games and start using a real strength of schedule to properly seed teams. Also tell Notre Dame their days of being free and getting a pass is over.
 
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