UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

[Volprofch05]

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Dude idk what to tell you if you think the NCAA is the only thing holding college football together. We find ourselves in this mess due to their incompetence. If an organized compensation had been put in place years earlier likely you never see NIL. Once NIL came about the NCAA was slowwwww to implement any rules governing it. They’ve for years been corrupt and incompetent.

Okay, imagine what happens if the NCAA crumbles completely.

We have an interstate business of college football which has multiple, unconnected without the NCAA, conferences making any and all kinds of rules.

The SEC decides: we're going to pay players.
The B1G decides: we're going to allow sign stealing.
The B10+ decides: we're going to let players play as long as they want. No more 4 year limit.

You need a meta organization.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

This mess came out of nowhere...It's like the Dr. Pepper commercial saying "the portal is out of control"....

Since Nico seems to have one of the biggest contracts, that has been made public, we look like a good place for the NCAA to try and start to reel in the college programs and show they are still the boss....

I looked at Ole Miss's players roster, and they had right at 40 NIL contracts...I also checked several other schools and they all had large NIL contracts...

What a damn mess...

This mess did NOT come out of nowhere. The Alston case spent years working its way through courts to SCOTUS and the NCAA spent those years with their heads in the sand instead of assuming they could lose and working on guardrails to be ready to release on decision day.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

You are wanting to restructure like the old NCAA while simultaneously arguing that players won’t accept lower pay.

Pick your poison man. And if you don’t think that NIL has already made it a pro style system…you are crazy.

No. I'm arguing that the NCAA needs to die slowly so we have SOMETHING like college football before the lawsuits turn it completely into pro football.

Once you pay the football team, you're going to get sued by other athletes. You should. Athletes are athletes and the school can't easily employ SOME and not employ others because of Title IX.

You're talking about creating an entire business that, IMO, the schools have no business being in. They're schools, not pro sports franchises.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

Okay, imagine what happens if the NCAA crumbles completely.

We have an interstate business of college football which has multiple, unconnected without the NCAA, conferences making any and all kinds of rules.

The SEC decides: we're going to pay players.
The B1G decides: we're going to allow sign stealing.
The B10+ decides: we're going to let players play as long as they want. No more 4 year limit.

You need a meta organization.

Then you tell us your solution because you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth and you make zero sense.

No platitudes of what should or shouldn’t be. Give me your solution. Everything that I am saying, isn’t the genius of Franklin Vol. It’s the proactive ideas of people who do this stuff for a living and are actively involved in such things.

 

[aRmo]

Saban bragged about Bryce Young’s haul when this was in its infancy…nary a NCAA visit.

Alabama has been paying players for years. Seems like onces new freshman get to campus they are offered their choice in dodge vehicles. But that doesnt raise suspicion. NCAA is biased and needs to go. the SEC and BIG10 have the means to regulate themselves. Once the NCAA does dissolve, what does this do to the group of 5 conferences? or the conferences that are struggling like the ACC and PAC12?

 

[Carp]

This whole debacle is an illustration of why the NCAA no longer works.

I've seen TONS of complaints that "the NIL and the portal are ruining football" and "somebody needs to do something about this NIL and portal madness" and "this is out of control and there's no way this should be like this."

So, the NCAA starts doing stuff to dampen NIL activity.

"OMG! Those bastards are trying to wreck football!" "You can't control NIL and they need to quit picking on us!" "Sue them out of existence!"

So, what do you guys want?

Do you want the Wild West of teams being able to recruit "by any means necessary" or do you want a body to have some oversight?

Anyone who has issues with the NIL is generally just a dinosaur that is opposed to change. We're seeing new teams in the CFP practically every year. Some teams that either have never played for a national title ever, like TCU, or in some cases in decades like Michigan and Texas. It's making it harder for schools like Bama and UGA to hoard 5 stars on their rosters.

I wouldn't call it wild wild west. Teams were still paying off players before this. But now players know their market value, unlike before.

 

[jcvols24]

NIL is here to stay, everyone might as well get used to that. What the NCAA needs to realize is that NIL should be a personal matter between the student and their employer. If they would only embrace this train of thought, everything would be fine. Focus on doing what universities are meant to do, educate. Have classes that can educate a student on how to traverse the NIL landscape without being taken advantage of and even how to better themselves in it. The athelete then remains a student, and eligible to play, just with a job. Much like many students who pay their way through college.

 

[Volfan2012]

A little surprised that other schools have not commented on way or another. Ohio State has broken about every NCAA rule in the NIL book and even admitted it yet were not hearing they are being investigated. They just spent 13 million in the portal signing players to NIL deals to play there. I guess they are saying a first offense would just be a slap on the wrist where Tennessee it would be a big deal second time.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Then you tell us your solution because you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth and you make zero sense.

No platitudes of what should or shouldn’t be. Give me your solution. Everything that I am saying, isn’t the genius of Franklin Vol. It’s the proactive ideas of people who do this stuff for a living and are actively involved in such things.

The awful solution is: it's dying. College sports will die and schools will have to get out of the business leaving something similar to the G-League/baseball minor leagues.

College sports cannot survive at every level when only a few make money and most lose money but all the colleges have to pay players. Carson-Newman can't live by the same "players are employees" rules as UT. I can't see the courts carving out who is and who isn't a "needs to pay their players" school.

We're going to have to separate sports from the schools and it's sad, very sad, because athletic scholarships are going to dry up and programs are going to become "club sports" only loosely associated with the schools, if at all.

I don't have a solution for that. I don't think anyone does because the schools have to treat athletes equally and they can't afford to do it.

I just want the NCAA to die as slowly as possible so we enjoy a few more decent Saturday games.

 

[HooahVol]

Anyone free to make the meeting? I have patients all afternoon. I would be really interested to find out what is said.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

The awful solution is: it's dying. College sports will die and schools will have to get out of the business leaving something similar to the G-League/baseball minor leagues.

College sports cannot survive at every level when only a few make money and most lose money but all the colleges have to pay players. Carson-Newman can't live by the same "players are employees" rules as UT. I can't see the courts carving out who is and who isn't a "needs to pay their players" school.

We're going to have to separate sports from the schools and it's sad, very sad, because athletic scholarships are going to dry up and programs are going to become "club sports" only loosely associated with the schools, if at all.

I don't have a solution for that. I don't think anyone does because the schools have to treat athletes equally and they can't afford to do it.

I just want the NCAA to die as slowly as possible so we enjoy a few more decent Saturday games.

Carson Newman type athletes wouldn’t make it in the SEC so to have the same rules for both crazy. Carson Newman also isn’t bringing in billions through media contracts either.

You are wanting each conference to be on equal grounds according to your argument.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Anyone free to make the meeting? I have patients all afternoon. I would be really interested to find out what is said.

She holds one every month according to my UT kids.

 

[DaddyChad]

Anyone who has issues with the NIL is generally just a dinosaur that is opposed to change. We're seeing new teams in the CFP practically every year. Some teams that either have never played for a national title ever, like TCU, or in some cases in decades like Michigan and Texas. It's making it harder for schools like Bama and UGA to hoard 5 stars on their rosters.

I wouldn't call it wild wild west. Teams were still paying off players before this. But now players know their market value, unlike before.

The Wild West statement is just media BS. Just like the BS of teams buying a championship. Teams have been doing that for years before nil.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Carson Newman type athletes wouldn’t make it in the SEC so to have the same rules for both crazy. Carson Newman also isn’t bringing in billions through media contracts either.

You are wanting each conference to be on equal grounds according to your argument.

I'm looking at this the way the SCOTUS will. What makes C-N different AS A SCHOOL from UT? Why should the rules be different AS A SCHOOL?

You're treating all of this as a business and the SCOTUS has said, "Okay, if college football and the NCAA is a business, it's going to play by business rules." C-N will get lumped right in there OR UT and the revenue schools will have to create a BUSINESS, NOT A SCHOOL league.

 

[volinSmyrna]

Agreed. I completely see how the NCAA screwed all of this up and should've been working on a Plan B solution if they lost in court. They didn't.

Now, however, we're facing a situation where without the NCAA, college athletics may very well become a full on pro league associated with the NFL and NBA.

I don't think the schools can get away with creating an NCAA 2.0 that violates Antitrust Law.

I don't think there's a better replacement. I'm open to ideas but forming a new organization which doesn't compensate players at market value may not be legally allowed at this point.

I just want people to step back from wanting the head of the NCAA and think about where we can go if they're gone.

It never should have gotten that far with the Alston ruling. The NCAA should have done something after the O'bannon lawsuit, but they didn't. They had a chance from the jump to create an NCAA structured NIL system, but they went so far past dropping the ball. Now they are on the doorstep of irrelevance and are just grasping at the last straws of power they think they have.

NCAA or new organization, SCOTUS pretty much said that very thing in bold. NCAA just needs to cut off the big 4 conferences in football and have those entities appoint a commissioner to oversee it. The last thing anybody wants to happen is for the courts to rule that athletes are employees of their university. That would be the end of most programs as we know it. NIL and collectives work, because there is a market and players are paid accordingly to their value/worth on the open market. Do you think Iowa could pay their star player what she's worth out of their revenue? Do you think LSU could pay that gymnast what she earns out of theirs? Athletes would be far worse off with employee status.

I will never step back from wanting the NCAA blown up. We can do so much better for everyone if we blow it up and start over from scratch. There needs to be structure and rules, but they need to be applied appropriately.

 

[volinSmyrna]

I'm looking at this the way the SCOTUS will. What makes C-N different AS A SCHOOL from UT? Why should the rules be different AS A SCHOOL?

You're treating all of this as a business and the SCOTUS has said, "Okay, if college football and the NCAA is a business, it's going to play by business rules." C-N will get lumped right in there OR UT and the revenue schools will have to create a BUSINESS, NOT A SCHOOL league.

SCOTUS basically warned the NCAA that if they tried to limit players earning what they are worth on the open market, then SCOTUS would drop the hammer on them. Players at CN are not valued as high as players at bigger schools.

It IS all a business. They are playing by business rules in the sense that players can receive fair market value for their services.

 

[Proud Army Wife]

No lies detected
I know he’s a gator fan but I love him lol. Hilarious

 

[butchna]

Alabama has been paying players for years. Seems like onces new freshman get to campus they are offered their choice in dodge vehicles. But that doesnt raise suspicion. NCAA is biased and needs to go. the SEC and BIG10 have the means to regulate themselves. Once the NCAA does dissolve, what does this do to the group of 5 conferences? or the conferences that are struggling like the ACC and PAC12?

PAC 12 is basically DOA as a P5….ACC adapts and survives, or it doesn’t.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It never should have gotten that far with the Alston ruling. The NCAA should have done something after the O'bannon lawsuit, but they didn't. They had a chance from the jump to create an NCAA structured NIL system, but they went so far past dropping the ball. Now they are on the doorstep of irrelevance and are just grasping at the last straws of power they think they have.

NCAA or new organization, SCOTUS pretty much said that very thing in bold. NCAA just needs to cut off the big 4 conferences in football and have those entities appoint a commissioner to oversee it. The last thing anybody wants to happen is for the courts to rule that athletes are employees of their university. That would be the end of most programs as we know it. NIL and collectives work, because there is a market and players are paid accordingly to their value/worth on the open market. Do you think Iowa could pay their star player what she's worth out of their revenue? Do you think LSU could pay that gymnast what she earns out of theirs? Athletes would be far worse off with employee status.

I will never step back from wanting the NCAA blown up. We can do so much better for everyone if we blow it up and start over from scratch. There needs to be structure and rules, but they need to be applied appropriately.

This is exactly how I see it except I don't see a way for schools to stay in the business because employee status for athletes is coming, like it or not.

At that point, even the revenue schools are screwed when it comes to all athletes. It's a complete disaster.

IF..... the NCAA dies, I don't think the schools can legally create another organization which doesn't include the athletes as employees. I'm not sure it will be legal to create a "student-athlete" model organization again. Justice Kavanaugh basically said, "that model is illegal."

For that reason, since the NCAA still survives, I want the NCAA to die slowly. After the NCAA, ít looks very, very bleak for college athletics.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

I'm looking at this the way the SCOTUS will. What makes C-N different AS A SCHOOL from UT? Why should the rules be different AS A SCHOOL?

You're treating all of this as a business and the SCOTUS has said, "Okay, if college football and the NCAA is a business, it's going to play by business rules." C-N will get lumped right in there OR UT and the revenue schools will have to create a BUSINESS, NOT A SCHOOL league.

Does UT make more money as member of the SEC than Western Kentucky as a member of their conferences? You are STILL arguing out of both sides of your mouth with platitudes of what could or should happen. All schools aren’t equal.

Why doesn’t the WNBA pay its athletes the same as the NBA.

Why are people leaving the PGA for LIV?

Why are the NAIA rules different that the NCAA?

Why are admission standards different for each school?

I’m done with this. You clearly have zero clue how things work. I wish you the best.

 

[hog88]

I'm looking at this the way the SCOTUS will. What makes C-N different AS A SCHOOL from UT? Why should the rules be different AS A SCHOOL?

You're treating all of this as a business and the SCOTUS has said, "Okay, if college football and the NCAA is a business, it's going to play by business rules." C-N will get lumped right in there OR UT and the revenue schools will have to create a BUSINESS, NOT A SCHOOL league.

I sure hope SCOTUS doesn't take such a simplistic and ridiculous view as this.

 

[volfanhill]

If the athletes are made employees bye bye title IX

 

[Volfan2012]

NCAA needs to backdown or die. Finally got in a fight they can't win. NCAA should say all schools will follow their NIL state laws and leave it at that. It will create an advantage for some schools even Tennessee, but will be up to the ones with bad laws to get them changed.

 

[hog88]

If the athletes are made employees bye bye title IX

Yep, the two cannot co-exist.