UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Does UT make more money as member of the SEC than Western Kentucky as a member of their conferences? You are STILL arguing out of both sides of your mouth with platitudes of what could or should happen. All schools aren’t equal.

Why doesn’t the WNBA pay its athletes the same as the NBA.

Why are people leaving the PGA for LIV?

Why are the NAIA rules different that the NCAA?

Why are admission standards different for each school?

I’m done with this. You clearly have zero clue how things work. I wish you the best.

You've said it's a business. Does the amount of money Walmart makes affect them playing by the same rules as Target?

I'm talking about the BUSINESS MODEL of the "student-athlete" which Justice Kavanaugh addressed. He didn't say, "it's only a problem when they make money" but he said, "the NCAA isn't above the law." Period.

The model is broken. It's broken at Carson-Newman and it's broken at UT. It's broken. According to Justice Kavanaugh (and by extrapolation with the 9-0 verdict, the rest of the court) the NCAA is wage fixing and not paying players at the market value.

The argument isn't that the C-N would have to pay as much as UT but they'd have to pay SOMETHING. The argument isn't that a UT tennis player has to make as much as a football player but that they have to make SOMETHING.

 

[VolInNW]

Nope, no saints in college football but if you're going to say UGA is paying top dollar for recruits, you should be able to name a kid that is getting paid big dollars by the UGA collective.

Just a quick break to note that, on cue, uga fans arrived to try and claim that top recruits pick uga because of.....awesome.....and uga has not, does not, and never will pay players.

It's BS, of course. Every major school was conducting NIL long before it was an acronym. There is a reason every Bama star drove a nicer car than their professors.

But, on cue, along comes uga, on a RIVAL'S BOARD, to try and convince us that uga is somehow different, and the school without tradition, fight song, recognizable brand, and an athletic complex named after a skidmark has somehow always been clean and just recruited on pure, crunchy, uga awesomeness.

LMAO. Trash program, forgettable program, and the whiniest, neediest fanbase in sports.

 

[volinSmyrna]

This is exactly how I see it except I don't see a way for schools to stay in the business because employee status for athletes is coming, like it or not.

At that point, even the revenue schools are screwed when it comes to all athletes. It's a complete disaster.

IF..... the NCAA dies, I don't think the schools can legally create another organization which doesn't include the athletes as employees. I'm not sure it will be legal to create a "student-athlete" model organization again. Justice Kavanaugh basically said, "that model is illegal."

For that reason, since the NCAA still survives, I want the NCAA to die slowly. After the NCAA, ít looks very, very bleak for college athletics.

They won't be able to stay in business if employee status becomes a thing. There is no way any programs but the top 2% will be able to survive. The way forward is to have the power 4 conferences tell the NCAA they can do whatever they want with whatever else they want except for football. This gives the protection to the smaller schools/programs/sports. Then you have the 4 conferences agree to a commissioner-type model where they for a set of rules. It wouldn't even have to be conferences. Just the biggest 30-40 programs. If any of the smaller schools wants to try to jump in, great, but you will have to try to swim with the big dogs. Schools like Vandy will probably left on the outside looking in at that point.

Bottom line, it's a mess, the NCAA create this mess, and they deserve all the crap coming their way.

 

[Volbrando]

Just a quick break to note that, on cue, uga fans arrived to try and claim that top recruits pick uga because of.....awesome.....and uga has not, does not, and never will pay players.

It's BS, of course. Every major school was conducting NIL long before it was an acronym. There is a reason every Bama star drove a nicer car than their professors.

But, on cue, along comes uga, on a RIVAL'S BOARD, to try and convince us that uga is somehow different, and the school without tradition, fight song, recognizable brand, and an athletic complex named after a skidmark has somehow always been clean and just recruited on pure, crunchy, uga awesomeness.

LMAO. Trash program, forgettable program, and the whiniest, neediest fanbase in sports.

all these other schools laughing at us won't be laughing if/when the NCAA comes snooping around their program next for the exact...same...thing

they are too dumb to understand its better to be in our corner and fight this with the ncaa then leave their door open with a welcome mat for the NCAA visiting them next

 

[chatt.vol]

The schools won't come to the table on NIL because there's zero incentive for them to accept NIL regulation or rules. When the NCAA moves in that direction, they get sued. I don't think you are understanding what is going on. The NCAA didn't set any rules at the beginning and according to the letter Donde sent they and other institutions have reached out to work on guidance regarding NIL. The NCAA didn't comply. They then decided to make some rules but instead of enforcing those rules from that day forward they want to retroactively punish schools. So how exactly is it that the schools won't come to the table on NIL?

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

You've said it's a business. Does the amount of money Walmart makes affect them playing by the same rules as Target?

I'm talking about the BUSINESS MODEL of the "student-athlete" which Justice Kavanaugh addressed. He didn't say, "it's only a problem when they make money" but he said, "the NCAA isn't above the law." Period.

The model is broken. It's broken at Carson-Newman and it's broken at UT. It's broken. According to Justice Kavanaugh (and by extrapolation with the 9-0 verdict, the rest of the court) the NCAA is wage fixing and not paying players at the market value.

The argument isn't that the C-N would have to pay as much as UT but they'd have to pay SOMETHING. The argument isn't that a UT tennis player has to make as much as a football player but that they have to make SOMETHING.

You clearly are clueless and aren’t even arguing the same thing while simultaneously bashing your own point of view in other posts. Good luck. Debating is pointless

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

This is exactly how I see it except I don't see a way for schools to stay in the business because employee status for athletes is coming, like it or not.

At that point, even the revenue schools are screwed when it comes to all athletes. It's a complete disaster.

IF..... the NCAA dies, I don't think the schools can legally create another organization which doesn't include the athletes as employees. I'm not sure it will be legal to create a "student-athlete" model organization again. Justice Kavanaugh basically said, "that model is illegal."

For that reason, since the NCAA still survives, I want the NCAA to die slowly. After the NCAA, ít looks very, very bleak for college athletics.

Never going to get away from amateur model for competition. Simply have to accept you can compete athletically as an amateur WITH a professional face for each individual. You can restrict the amount of NIL at each institution just like,schollies, on field staff and official visits. A salary cap for NIL dollars, just like the pro’s to deal with competitive balance. Won’t matter if they are on schollie or not.

 

[ButchPlz]

Never going to get away from amateur model for competition. Simply have to accept you can compete athletically as an amateur WITH a professional face for each individual. You can restrict the amount of NIL at each institution just like,schollies, on field staff and official visits. A salary cap for NIL dollars, just like the pro’s to deal with competitive balance. Won’t matter if they are on schollie or not.

You'll never get to an NIL "salary cap" because the NCAA can't interfere in what amounts to private transactions between private individuals. I doubt the member institutions would be able to, either.

 

[Volfan2012]

The facts are Tennessee and every power school in the country are guilty of NIL violations the way one of the last NCAA rules is written. The protection for Tennessee is that Tennessee state law on NIL there are no violations not one.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

They won't be able to stay in business if employee status becomes a thing. There is no way any programs but the top 2% will be able to survive. The way forward is to have the power 4 conferences tell the NCAA they can do whatever they want with whatever else they want except for football. This gives the protection to the smaller schools/programs/sports. Then you have the 4 conferences agree to a commissioner-type model where they for a set of rules. It wouldn't even have to be conferences. Just the biggest 30-40 programs. If any of the smaller schools wants to try to jump in, great, but you will have to try to swim with the big dogs. Schools like Vandy will probably left on the outside looking in at that point.

Bottom line, it's a mess, the NCAA create this mess, and they deserve all the crap coming their way.

The question the SCOTUS addressed is the "student-athlete" model the NCAA uses. Justice Kavanaugh essentially said that model isn't legal.

He and the SCOTUS didn't say it's only illegal for revenue sports or revenue schools, he said the entire MODEL is not legal and couldn't pass Antitrust scrutiny.

Just saying, "well, we'll take the revenue schools out of the equation" doesn't fix the model. A business doesn't have to make money to be subject to Antitrust Law.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Never going to get away from amateur model for competition. Simply have to accept you can compete athletically as an amateur WITH a professional face for each individual. You can restrict the amount of NIL at each institution just like,schollies, on field staff and official visits. A salary cap for NIL dollars, just like the pro’s to deal with competitive balance. Won’t matter if they are on schollie or not.

You can't legally restrict NIL. Could Bama say to Saban, "we pay you millions, you can't make Aflac commercials or own car lots" because we pay you enough.

NIL isn't just about sports. My old employer could never tell me how I could market my NIL.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

You can't legally restrict NIL. Could Bama say to Saban, "we pay you millions, you can't make Aflac commercials or own car lots" because we pay you enough.

NIL isn't just about sports. My old employer could never tell me how I could market my NIL.

Because you didn’t sign an agreement as a term of employment with those restrictions.

This isn’t difficult. Seems everyone gets it except you.

 

[Volprofch05]

Anyone free to make the meeting? I have patients all afternoon. I would be really interested to find out what is said.

These are her regular office hours she holds where students and faculty can come meet with her and talk about whatever they like. I think it’s kind of cool that she does that. But, it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the NCAA stuff.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Because you didn’t sign an agreement as a term of employment with those restrictions.

This isn’t difficult. Seems everyone gets it except you.

No one is going to sign an agreement to restrict NIL. Sure, they COULD, but making that a condition of employment without negotiation with the union won't be legal.

You can't make people shop only at the company store anymore.

 

[GBOx2]

You're talking about creating an entire business that, IMO, the schools have no business being in. They're SCHOOLS, not pro sports franchises.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

This is exactly how I see it except I don't see a way for schools to stay in the business because employee status for athletes is coming, like it or not.

At that point, even the revenue schools are screwed when it comes to all athletes. It's a complete disaster.

IF..... the NCAA dies, I don't think the schools can legally create another organization which doesn't include the athletes as employees. I'm not sure it will be legal to create a "student-athlete" model organization again. Justice Kavanaugh basically said, "that model is illegal."

For that reason, since the NCAA still survives, I want the NCAA to die slowly. After the NCAA, ít looks very, very bleak for college athletics.

Schools Can’t pay men as employees without paying women in same numbers/dollar amount due to title IX. Budgets don’t support that at 98% of universities.

The only way to make this work is split revenue sports(FB/MBB) out from schools as a business.

News Flash when that happens the revenue supporting all the other non money making sports will be gone and those sports will be on the chopping block due to lack of dollars to support them.

Wave bye to WBB, swimming, baseball, softball, track, soccer……..inter-mura sports here we come

 

[VolArmy74]

I'm looking at this the way the SCOTUS will. What makes C-N different AS A SCHOOL from UT? Why should the rules be different AS A SCHOOL?

You're treating all of this as a business and the SCOTUS has said, "Okay, if college football and the NCAA is a business, it's going to play by business rules." C-N will get lumped right in there OR UT and the revenue schools will have to create a BUSINESS, NOT A SCHOOL league.

Do you conceive that there are different levels of pay for different levels of the same job? An MLB player makes 50,000 dollars a game. A minor league MLB player makes 50 dollars a game. People who are at the top of their field will always make more money than people who aren't.

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

No one is going to sign an agreement to restrict NIL. Sure, they COULD, but making that a condition of employment without negotiation with the union won't be legal.

You can't make people shop only at the company store anymore.

What part of a college athlete union and collective bargaining did you miss?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Nope, no saints in college football but if you're going to say UGA is paying top dollar for recruits, you should be able to name a kid that is getting paid big dollars by the UGA collective.

Carson Beck announced what he wanted 4 mil or did I miss the announcement where he is playing for free?

Carson Beck offers limited clarity about his Georgia future

Carson Beck is trying to make a difficult decision as Georgia gets set for the Orange Bowl, and he considers the NFL Draft.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

or did he decide to play for 200 thousand and you think that’s chump change.

And yes every player now is a recruit even seniors.

The holy saint act makes you look like a stupid Dawg.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

What part of a college athlete union and collective bargaining did you miss?

The part where the athletes get something besides "the privilege of working" for signing away lucrative NIL rights.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

Do you conceive that there are different levels of pay for different levels of the same job? An MLB player makes 50,000 dollars a game. A minor league MLB player makes 50 dollars a game. People who are at the top of their field will always make more money than people who aren't.

But that won’t work with colleges sports due to title IX.

Look at the scholarship payout for sold out men’s baseball works today where a lot of guys are only getting 1/4 of a scholarship where every lady on the women’s knitting team gets a full scholarship and they have very little revenue/attendance.

 

[05_never_again]

The timing of this really is a head scratcher. Of all the problems the NCAA has to deal with, I can't comprehend why they would try to pick a fight with Tennessee with such a weak case. This could be the nail in their coffin. They have a national champion that was blatantly stealing signals and mountains of evidence. There are gambling issues. The referees are getting worse by the day. Yet they are trying to make a case against UT over something that every major program in the country openly does. It doesn't make sense.

If they don't move against someone now, then there might not even be an NCAA left to defend. I think this case really is a hill they might die on.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Do you conceive that there are different levels of pay for different levels of the same job? An MLB player makes 50,000 dollars a game. A minor league MLB player makes 50 dollars a game. People who are at the top of their field will always make more money than people who aren't.

Yes, but all players connected to MLB get paid.

A school like Carson-Newman, NCAA DII, is still part of the NCAA. If the model is not legal for the NCAA and players need to be paid, C-N is part of the NCAA.

Do they have to be paid as much? No. But they will have to be paid because the NCAA model is broken and apparently illegal according to SCOTUS.

C-N will never be able to pay players. UT would have issues with having to pay ALL athletes.

Again, SCOTUS didn't say "it's only the revenue schools and revenue sports." SCOTUS said the "student-athlete" model of not paying players market value is illegal.

I fully realize market value at C-N isn't the same as UT and market value of a tennis player isn't the same as a basketball star, but the expense will still be crippling especially for small schools.

 

[BigALWiLson]

We have leadership. We have the admin. We have the state of Tennessee willing to tell the NCAA FAFO. I 1000% support the University and my home. These bastards want to sanction and slander our leaders and our athletes. I am happy to support people who are willing to stand for what is just. Proud Tennessean that bleeds Orange and White.