UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

[WoodsmanVol]

First, if they were serious about a level playing field, they would apply the rules and penalties evenly. I'd argue that they most certainly don't. Blue bloods rarely get taken to task and punished and if they do get "punishment", it's considered a slap on the wrist. They moan about "exploitation" yet they've been so totally inconsistent in how they handle things like eligibility with student athletes. Guess it depends on the school they're moving to? When's the last time bama or Michigan or OSU had a kid not have a decision on eligibility in time for the season start? How many times has UT had a player sit for months and months only to be cleared well after the season started? We've seen it with football and most recently in baseball. Back to the same article. Even there they offer a counterpoint to the "inequality" argument.



I guess my final thought is if "equality" is the goal, how is it that during decades of dominance by the same few schools, they never were nailed by the NCAA? Never a whiff of irregularities? With all that talent stockpiled, are we to believe that it was all legit and no rules were broken? When it does seem that a team violates the rules, why is it seemingly never a bottom feeder or one of the elites, but it's usually a team that threatens the established order? A team that maybe gets a little too high on the ladder for comfort that needs to be taken down a rung or three that gets "caught" cheating? You think Freeze would have been taken out if he hadn't beaten Saban on the field multiple times? I don't. Even if it's never proven, the "investigation" or the threat of one does enough damage on it's own. Nah, the NCAA has zero virtues. They've been corrupted and co-opted as a weapon in college sports. If they faced damages for their conduct, I'd wager that a lot of these "leaks" and frivolous "investigations" would decrease exponentially. No offense and I really enjoy your posts, but while your heart is in the right place, you give that soulless, corrupt tool called the NCAA way too much credit. In truth, they deserve none.

At least we agree that neither of us really like the NCAA.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

the very crux of this case is the NCAA is limiting the market kids can use. This literally takes money out of the pockets of these players. Damn it’s hard to figure how people are missing that.

Maybe because somebody moved the spittoon.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

one question for some of the lawyers on here, if the NCAA hasn't either formally charged Tennessee with a violation or deemed us guilty of a violation, will the courts even rule on this case until Tennessee has actually been harmed?

There you go, wonder why folks miss this?

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Then answer two questions.

1) Do you believe a player can get same NIL deal at UT that they would at MTSU?
2) Do you accept job offers and negotiate your salary after you have signed the offer contract?

If the answer to either one is No then you are going against what the NCAA is asking these kids to do.

The NCAA wants to restrict these kids from getting the best NIL deal. They do not want them seeing what their value is to different perspective universities before deciding on the school for them.

If you really believe that Nico would sell as many Nico shirts at MTSU as he will at UT then I have some beautiful swamp land perfect to build a house on in Florida for you.

And the debate rages on. Well, you know, like that old sign used to say, "Some people like Shakey's Pizza, some people don't."

 

[Volbrando]

what a great time it would be for SEC Shorts to drop a video on this

 

[K87vol]

Bammer was pushing the 30k idea that Baker (NCAA) was wanting to trend to. That way the bag program they were using could continue, and they could just keep paying under the table. This NIL stuff messed up the system they had going. Same system Pruit learned and brought with him. They don't like the even playing rules and the funds out in open.

 

[Godfatha]

Bammer was pushing the 30k idea that Baker (NCAA) was wanting to trend to. That way the bag program they were using could continue, and they could just keep paying under the table. This NIL stuff messed up the system they had going. Same system Pruit learned and brought with him. They don't like the even playing rules and the funds out in open.

Any talk of salary caps just mean the under the table stuff comes back and the NCAA would get some of their power back.

 

[volbound1700]

Bammer was pushing the 30k idea that Baker (NCAA) was wanting to trend to. That way the bag program they were using could continue, and they could just keep paying under the table. This NIL stuff messed up the system they had going. Same system Pruit learned and brought with him. They don't like the even playing rules and the funds out in open.

Agree. This is why I HATE the NCAA, not for the rules but for the SELECTIVE enforcement that created an unfair playing field.

Notice that during Saban, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss (with Hugh Freeze), and Tennessee all had multiple investigations (sometimes with no findings) while not one investigation against Saban.

 

[aRmo]

Im just curious on who keeps snitching on us. Snitches get stitches where im from

 

[chatt.vol]

Bammer was pushing the 30k idea that Baker (NCAA) was wanting to trend to. That way the bag program they were using could continue, and they could just keep paying under the table. This NIL stuff messed up the system they had going. Same system Pruit learned and brought with him. They don't like the even playing rules and the funds out in open.

Had a Bama fan at work tell me Pruitt learned that from Fulmer that is why he hadn't perfected it yet. I was like come on you know Fulmer don't eat at no Chick-fil-A.

 

[utvolpj]

Im just curious on who keeps snitching on us. Snitches get stitches where im from

Chill out Jeremy Banks

 

[BruiserVol]

Im just curious on who keeps snitching on us. Snitches get stitches where im from

I just came here to see if a post I read had any merit. A verified bama page said Saban left us a parting gift of putting us on blast. Don’t know how much merit that holds.

 

[Volbrando]

Had a Bama fan at work tell me Pruitt learned that from Fulmer that is why he hadn't perfected it yet. I was like come on you know Fulmer don't eat at no Chick-fil-A.

as if Pruitt didn't see all kinds of things going on Bama when he was there

 

[LowKey]

as if Pruitt didn't see all kinds of things going on Bama when he was there

Where do you think he learned it from? Saban

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

More joining with us?

 

[onevol74]

 

[utvolpj]

I just came here to see if a post I read had any merit. A verified bama page said Saban left us a parting gift of putting us on blast. Don’t know how much merit that holds.

I have a hard time believing Saban cares much about UT. We beat him twice in his entire career. Maybe he was upset we had made his job harder with NIL but is that enough?

 

[VOLtaism]

The wording of this article is funny. UT is under potential investigation. You can be under investigation, or not under investigation, but you can't be under potential investigation.

 

[Voluble2]

Thinking about your idea, you've singlehandedly destroyed NIL.

If the NCAA has the right to cap NIL for a team, cap it at $1. Almost every player gets a penny and that's it.

Poof. No NIL anymore. Ridiculous, you say? Yes, yes it is, but if the NCAA has the right, they have have the right to set it wherever they want.

Great job!

Plus the NCAA would not know what payments were made between private entities nor have any way to find out so it is a ridiculous and impractical suggestion in addition to being an illegal and immoral one.

People are just going to have to accept that the old, exploitative plantation system is gone and isn't coming back. The kids who are taking the risks of life and limb for our entertainment are going to get paid their market value now by one method or another. And to sit around conspiring and scheming about how best to prevent that is shameful and dishonorable.

The old system was NEVER legal. It just went a long time without being challenged so people thought that was the way things should be.

UT should market the hell out of this. They should tell recruits that they are the ones standing up for their right to get paid and that the NCAA is threatening actions which would give it the power to end NIL. They should come play for the team they can trust to look out for their rights and interests, not for ones looking to take away their paychecks.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Plus the NCAA would not know what payments were made between private entities nor have any way to find out so it is a ridiculous and impractical suggestion in additional to being an illegal and immoral one.

People are just going to have to accept that the old, exploitative plantation system is gone and isn't coming back. The kids who are taking the risks of life and limb for our entertainment are going to get paid their market value now by one method or another. And to sit around conspiring and scheming about how best to prevent that is shameful and dishonorable.

The old system was NEVER legal. It just went a long time without being challenged so people thought that was the way things should be.

UT should market the hell out of this. They should tell recruits that they are the ones standing up for their right to get paid and that the NCAA is threatening actions which would give it the power to end NIL. They should come play for the team they can trust to look out for their rights and interests, not for ones looking to take away their paychecks.

My issue is trying to pin this on the players, like they make the rules for the team, the school, the SEC or the NCAA.

Somehow the players are bad because opportunity is legally there and they're using that opportunity.

The NCAA screwed this up decades and decades ago by not coming up with a compensation plan when it became very clear that some athletes were more valuable than the (lest turbo go off again) extremely valuable scholarship. Significant stipends, trust accounts, something..... would be better than the NIL Wild West the NCAA was forced to allow.

Most of the blame falls on the schools and NCAA for being incredibly shortsighted and greedy.

 

[Sudden Impact]

***** Can some please explain to me why the NCAA did not go after Texas A&M *****
Let's look at the Reality of this as advertised. Texas A&M committed these type of violations before and after the NIL.

On the outbound, Players even admitted it to various agencies.

The Money was there and was not delivered at times or to a small few.

This could have been the story behind the firing of Jimbo but only a side bar.

Other schools advertised that they had a fund especially set up for Lineman based on NIL. If that is not a come play for me and we will pay you, then I don't know what is.

This is a targeted, Witch Hunt. (popular word)

I am beginning to think that the NCAA put their toes in the water with Tennessee to see if they could pull it off. (failed due to push back) As, Tennessee did not respond in the way the NCAA anticipated and it is blowing up in the NCAA's face.

 

[Volfan76]

It's pretty clear what is going on with the NCAA. They are targeting teams that have national recognition with high dollar collectives(fsu florida texas a&m), that are not quite elite at the moment so that they can make an example of them. Georgia, Bama, Ohio State have done the exact same things with more frequency. The NCAA knows better than to go after them, but they did not expect UT to come out swinging after the JP issue. It may very well be the NCAA's undoing....or at least handcuff them.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Thinking about your idea, you've singlehandedly destroyed NIL.

If the NCAA has the right to cap NIL for a team, cap it at $1. Almost every player gets a penny and that's it.

Poof. No NIL anymore. Ridiculous, you say? Yes, yes it is, but if the NCAA has the right, they have have the right to set it wherever they want.

Great job!

Absurd. That would be like capping schollies at 12. The total cap would have to exceed players reported deals across the division to comply with SCOTUS ruling. Have to have a landing spot, cap would just insure a competitive distribution, the same purpose of schollie limits.

Until a player can prove nobody has the ability to accept his cap hit they are in the clear and would have to raise every teams cap.

Might have to go to Starkville instead of Tuscaloosa.

 

[Snapper58]

If the member schools vote to make a rule to limit NIL, they can do that. being a part of the NCAA is voluntary membership. There are many perks (esp $$$$$ to being a member and participating with member schools). Technically the schools did not set up the collectives. The biggest problem I see is that the NCAA released a ruling on NIL that they tried to say would take effect 10 months earlier. That would be like changing the speed limit on a road from 55 to 45 and going back for 10 months and fining people for speeding. At least this is my take on the Tennessee deal. It is another factor if the NCAA is being consistant in it's enfocement. Also, we do not know if they have been visiting other schools since only the Tennessee info was leaked.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of NIL. NIL is a personal contract a player signs.

The NCAA has ZERO right to interfere with a player's personal contract. They can't make the student leave the program if they sign a personal NIL AFTER THEY ENROLL. That's not their business nor the school's business.

What would you do? Dismiss a player because they put the school over the cap? You'll find lawsuits everywhere.

A schollie is a personal deal too and they are regulated too.

Yes a school has to initially accept a cap hit and if a player changes his number the school has to accept or pass. The portal with immediate eligibility is the remedy. They created this mobility. NIL is professionalism so you follow that model.