UT under potential NCAA investigation for NIL

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Absurd. That would be like capping schollies at 12. The total cap would have to exceed players reported deals across the division to comply with SCOTUS ruling. Have to have a landing spot, cap would just insure a competitive distribution, the same purpose of schollie limits.

Until a player can prove nobody has the ability to accept his cap hit they are in the clear and would have to raise every teams cap.

Might have to go to Starkville instead of Tuscaloosa.

My man, NO REGULATION of NIL is going to pass the SCOTUS and I think you know that.

The NCAA would've already tried to cap it immediately after Alston instead of just turning it loose.

There's ZERO basis for letting the NCAA cap NIL at schools when NEITHER are involved in the private contracts.

It's not like scholarships or rosters or visits which the schools control.

You've not answered, of course, what would happen when players simply wait until they're enrolled, below the cap, and practicing/playing to sign big NIL deals. Do you THEN force the school to single out players to toss from the program?

You CANNOT restrict individual players from signing deals and the school was below the cap at the start of the season...... and your plan is shredded.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

The lawsuit comes because you're treating players with NIL differently than regular students with NIL.

That was the basis of Alston when the NCAA tried to cap what players could receive via educational benefits from a scholarship vs what a regular student could receive.

If you can't reasonably cap NIL for ALL students, you can't cap it for athletes.

NIL is available for all students. Done.

 

[volbound1700]

LSU gymnast Olivia Dunne has made over $ 3.5 Million in NIL in just a single year. Football isn't the only sport getting NIL. That is a misconception. I attend a class about CLE put on by Patterson Intellectual Property Law in Nashville. NIL can even be taken by High School students. This is a monster that is beyond even just the NCAA.

How much has Olivia Dunne made from NIL?

Olivia Dunne, popularly known as Livvy, has become a household name in the world of college sports and social media. As a college gymnast at Louisiana State University (LSU), Dunne has not only dominated the gymnastics arena but has also amassed significant wealth through name, image, and...

fanarch.com

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

NIL is available for all students. Done.

NIL is not capped in any way for other students. A school may have an artist or movie star making millions and millions, are they going to be capped also?

 

[volstudent26]

Update on the legal case.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

NIL is not capped in any way for other students. A school may have an artist or movie star making millions and millions, are they going to be capped also?

Those are open market activities. They are free to attend and join teams if that is how the school wants to use their cap on competitive teams with roster limits. Headcount and proposed NIL VALUE.

Doubt college bowl and art competitions attain interest level to form controlling bodies.

Thousands of players would like to play for perineal contender’s but they are limited to 85 each and many have to go elsewhere and so far no lawsuits to deal with it.

 

[ButchPlz]

If the member schools vote to make a rule to limit NIL, they can do that. being a part of the NCAA is voluntary membership. There are many perks (esp $$$$$ to being a member and participating with member schools). Technically the schools did not set up the collectives. The biggest problem I see is that the NCAA released a ruling on NIL that they tried to say would take effect 10 months earlier. That would be like changing the speed limit on a road from 55 to 45 and going back for 10 months and fining people for speeding. At least this is my take on the Tennessee deal. It is another factor if the NCAA is being consistant in it's enfocement. Also, we do not know if they have been visiting other schools since only the Tennessee info was leaked.

The rules they are trying to put into place were also only approved by a fraction of a fraction of members.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Those are open market activities. They are free to attend and join teams if that is how the school wants to use their cap on competitive teams with roster limits. Headcount and proposed NIL VALUE.

Again, the teams just wait until the season starts and then the players sign big NIL deals for a year.

You think the schools AREN'T going to sue the NCAA when they get dinged for "being over NIL" when THEY CANNOT LEGALLY CONTROL WHEN AND WHAT DEALS PLAYERS MAKE?

It's completely ridiculous to make schools on the hook to get dinged for something they have zero control over. It's an instant lawsuit.

 

[EverythingOrange]

Who Gives a S#!+!!!!! Let it Play ON THE FIELD! - or ON THE HARD-COURT! - or ON THE DIAMOND! OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN PAYING KIDS FOR DECADES!!!!!

ALABAMA - FOOTBALL! KENTUCKY- BASKETBALL! LSU - BASEBALL!

GET OVER IT! — NIL MAKES IT LEGAL NOW!!!!!!!

 

[volfanhill]

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Again, the teams just wait until the season starts and then the players sign big NIL deals for a year.

You think the schools AREN'T going to sue the NCAA when they get dinged for "being over NIL" when THEY CANNOT LEGALLY CONTROL WHEN AND WHAT DEALS PLAYERS MAKE?

It's completely ridiculous to make schools on the hook to get dinged for something they have zero control over. It's an instant lawsuit.

It is not a stretch to require each student wanting to play to have windows to report their NIL numbers. Just like portal windows. If necessary their might be a need to create an NIL redshirt.

Not sure how to deal with deferred money, but bet some smart guys can. Possibly hitting a team’s cap the year it is paid, even if the player moves on.

Getting accurate data should not be a problem with notarized reports to NCAA during those windows with fraud charges on the line.

 

[volbound1700]

 

[volbound1700]

There is a little piece of me, conspiracy theory-wise, that thinks this whole thing was a setup.

The NCAA went about knowing it was going to get sued and lose and all of this might have already been decided at a higher level. If so, we got some favoritism for once by being the poster boy to end the old regime.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

It is not a stretch to require each student wanting to play to have windows to report their NIL numbers. Just like portal windows. If necessary their might be a need to create an NIL redshirt.

Not sure how to deal with deferred money, but bet some smart guys can. Possibly hitting a team’s cap the year it is paid, even if the player moves on.

Getting accurate data should not be a problem with notarized reports to NCAA during those windows with fraud charges on the line.

Ah, so you DO want to restrict when individual players can sign NIL deals. A quick non-starter. What gives the NCAA or school the right? Nothing.

As for deferred money, you'll still get sued by schools because they are being held responsible for something they legally cannot control.

 

[Godfatha]

The wording of this article is funny. UT is under potential investigation. You can be under investigation, or not under investigation, but you can't be under potential investigation.

We're under maybe investigation.

 

[VOL6479]

Who the hell is this guy and what's he talking about evidence? From everything I've read the NCAA doesn't really have much evidence.

https://mikefarrellsports.com/college/should-the-ncaa-hammer-tennessee

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

Ah, so you DO want to restrict when individual players can sign NIL deals. A quick non-starter. What gives the NCAA or school the right? Nothing.

As for deferred money, you'll still get sued by schools because they are being held responsible for something they legally cannot control.

None of your straw man arguments are insurmountable. YES Just like individuals wanting to compete in sports have to accept or comply with scholly limits, portal windows, completion requirements, redshirt rules, etc., they will have to negotiate and report their professional earnings to attain a waiver to compete in sports where across all of D1 and D2 the vast majority will not have any deals to report.

POSSIBLY, only require reporting when total deals exceed some thresholds so chicken, car lot, mattress low dollar stuff does not create admin nightmares. 10k?? 20k?? Once again let the smart guys establish all limits.

 

[aRmo]

 

[volstudent26]

An update on the Tennessee/Virginia case against the NCAA.

Briefing on the states’ motion for a TRO will be complete on Sunday.

This indicates the court will rule on the TRO early next week, likely by February 6 as requested by the states. Via - @wintersportslaw

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

Evidence of what? That Spyre offered him a deal. Tennessee had nothing to do with that. Good luck with your BS NCAA! GBO

 

[volstudent26]

Evidence of what? That Spyre offered him a deal. Tennessee had nothing to do with that. Good luck with your BS NCAA! GBO

They are trying to say that sypre falls under booster rules for inducement even though at the time collectives where not specifically ruled as boosters the NCAA issued more guidance in may of 2022 when the events took play in feb and March of 2022 thus why Tennessee is mad about “retroactive enforcement”

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

None of your straw man arguments are insurmountable. YES Just like individuals wanting to compete in sports have to accept or comply with scholly limits, portal windows, completion requirements, redshirt rules, etc., they will have to negotiate and report their professional earnings to attain a waiver to compete in sports where across all of D1 and D2 the vast majority will not have any deals to report.

POSSIBLY, only require reporting when total deals exceed some thresholds so chicken, car lot, mattress low dollar stuff does not create admin nightmares. 10k?? 20k?? Once again let the smart guys establish all limits.

NIL isn't school related. We've established that lots of people get NIL that don't play sports. The NCAA and schools have NO RIGHT to restrict private contracts an individual signs NOR when they sign them. It's an instant lawsuit.

Please tell me WHY the NCAA or school should be able to restrict anything about NIL? They tried the "it's good for competition" argument with the educational benefits in Alston and the SCOTUS went 9-0 saying individual rights are more important than your business interests.

Exactly WHY does the NCAA have any right to regulate NIL at any level. PLEASE read the Alston decision. The NCAA CANNOT restrict individual rights in order to keep their business model working.

This is EXACTLY the Antitrust Law issue they're about to get drilled on again.

 

[VolatileVol]

People are much more confident than I am here. I'm not even sure how one can receive injunctive relief for something that has not yet occurred. Any luck on adding more schools to the NCAA lawsuit?

 

[Woodlawn VOL]

They are trying to say that sypre falls under booster rules for inducement even though at the time collectives where not specifically ruled as boosters the NCAA issued more guidance in may of 2022 when the events took play in feb and March of 2022 thus why Tennessee is mad about “retroactive enforcement”

They lose and lose bad on that premise. As much crap as the NCAA has caused and been through I can’t believe they would go that route. We will win here I truly believe, of all the talk about they were going to change the NCAA seems to be up to the same old tactics.GBO

 

[Volfan39]

People are much more confident than I am here. I'm not even sure how one can receive injunctive relief for something that has not yet occurred. Any luck on adding more schools to the NCAA lawsuit?

More states will join the lawsuit. Bama, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Miss, And the Carolina’s most likely will