UTAD cutting band funding/involvement? (Merged)

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Volsfaninva917 said:
Honestly I have no interest in anything the band plays at half time and my money says if you ask players or recruits I can just about guarantee you that 99.9% of them don't care either. Funny thing is everyone is pinning this on Dave hart if you don't think CBJ had a say so in this as well your crazy. I see crying on here oh the band cant go to mizzou blah blah blah UGA brought the pep band they use for bball games up from Athens 3.5 hour drive and they are playing winning football.
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The UGA pep band sounded better than the UT full band during the game.
 
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whobethis16 said:
1.) Ohio did not outplay the Pride, even with the smaller numbers in the Pride.

2.) Ohio's band sounds like absolute garbage. And that's a compliment.

3.) They don't march at all. They stop playing, move to a spot and sound like my craps in the morning.

4.) It's pathetic that people think watching college kids get on their hands and knees and be ridden by their peers is entertaining other than to laugh at them.
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1. Demolished the pride - Our fans gave a standing ovation.
2. It sounded amazing
3. Who gives a **** - this isn't Drum Corps or Bands of America - it's entertainment for people waiting to resume football
4. Look, in my book there are two types of Marching Shows - Art (Drum Corp/GOOD High Schools) and Half Time Entertainment. The Pride right now likes to pretend their shows are art - they aren't. Really what they do is entertainment directed at old people in diapers wanting to hear 'little doggie in the window'.

I was under the impression Ryder was running the show more than Sousa these days, maybe that's not the case.
 
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RockyTop94 said:
I'm all for the band....but change is needed. So OLD. I believe in tradition but some new material would be great every now and then. The same EXACT pre-game show since I was a student in the 90's. Just tweak it a bit from time to time with of course the core songs.

Just my 2.5 cents.
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If that's what you want, then that's what you've got. There have been 2 different alterations since 2005.
 
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It's tough to watch the slow grind that's removing things that made each school unique. Part of the SEC's mystique was the extent to which we took football seriously. The rivalries, the intensity, the determination, the passion, and yes, the pageantry of the bands. They're a big part of the martial pomp, the callback to far older times of war. You marched into battle with your flags held high and your sounds played loud. Sure it was silly and excessive, but that's what the SEC was about. You put on your best outfits, you trotted out your finest things, and you made football a real spectacle. And yeah, a part of that spectacle was the band. The parade of sound and sight drawing people in to the event, and keeping them involved until the show was over. And, sometimes, sending the band into the opponent's stadium, playing your fight songs, announcing to anyone and everyone that you were coming and they had better be ready for you. The SEC did it bigger, better, and prouder than just about anyone. Sad to see that pushed to the side.

Does the Pride need to refresh itself and update its song list? Absolutely. They need new material. They need to be more inclusive. They need to do a lot of things, from what I've heard and read over the last five years -- get new material, stop driving members away, all that stuff. But relegating the Pride to pre-game and half-time is just disappointing, especially because of all the pride that comes from having a unique program and a unique gameday experience. It might take a little more work to integrate them into the gameday experience, but a little more effort to keep that experience a Tennessee one is better than being the 433th stadium that plays the bells on third down and uses canned music for breaks. If they want to make a change, then let it be less about removing the Pride's involvement, and more about bringing the Pride forward (even if it takes some teeth-gnashing to get it there).
 
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whobethis16 said:
Exactly our point. People who know nothing about it are the ones trying to change it. That's like me trying to change what goes on with the volleyball team.
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But guess what it's not about what you want or what I want or what the band wants. It's about what these kids and coaching staff wants
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
It's already been cut quite a bit. It has to be supplemented with HS bands now just to equal in size of what it used to be. Look at old stadium pics and how much space band used to take up. It's a tragedy.
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You are absolutely wrong in your statement here. The only people to ever put on a Pride uniform are students of the University of Tennessee. It is not a right, it is a privilege.

As a fellow POTS member, the news that band travel is going to be limited concerns me, but it makes since. The annual budget for traveling to 8 road games as a full band is roughly $1 million a year (350 members, hotel rooms, required meal stipend, 9 busses with required police escort, gas ect...)

The main part that is concerning IMO is the amount during the game a band is allowed to play. As many of you that are mad at Dave Hart should also be mad at the Pride leadership. The leadership (Gary Sousa) has not worked alongside the AD office during any of the 17 years he has been here. One example that I can remember...back in my day, coach Fulmer asked for a small "voluntary group of band student" to play Rocky Top for a group of very important recruits. Instead of suggestion to a couple of the students (who would have gladly helped), Sousa shot an email to the AD "tattling" on Fulmer for what might have been considered a NCAA violation.

This determination has been years in the making and POTS leadership holds as much burden of guilt as the AD office.

Please continue to support the band (with accurate information) and the traditions that we hold dear at the University of Tennessee.
 
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whobethis16 said:
They're the peers of the players that want to change uniforms for no reason other than to do so. Yet you listen to them.
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Have no idea what our student section starting the wave when we're on OFFENSE has to do with our Head Coach and players supporting the idea of an alternative uniform.
 
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DynamiteMcGhee said:
It doesn't have to be supplemented with anyone. Just like the football team, the band has to find ways to draw in talent. What better way than having kids come in and give them a taste of marching in Neyland? Bama's band is bigger than the Pride and can't make a straight line. What's a tragedy is that people think size and talent are related. They aren't.
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Oh I liked the idea, we enjoyed seeing those bands come in, but it was interesting to note in the stadium that the space taken up by our bands and the HS bands combined, is what Pride of the Southland used to take up on it's own....I guess that is a trend across college football though.....things are just getting too expensive.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
But guess what it's not about what you want or what I want or what the band wants. It's about what these kids and coaching staff wants
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No, it isn't. The University is over 200 years old. The football program is over 100 years old. No person, coach, or player is bigger than the program and the entity that it is.
 
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Cant even begin to imagine a game at Neyland without the Pride. Pure blasphemy. I think it sucks bad enough that they dont travel as much.
 
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We had some pretty good football teams in the past without having to pipe music in. It's not related. If some recruit doesn't want to come to UT because he doesn't like the freaking band, then he can go somewhere else.
 
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Don't think for a second that CBJ doesn't care about the band. :rock:
 

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emzeeee said:
That's just not true.

The song needs to go away, but I don't remember a time that I ever played it 3 or 4 times a game.
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I'm not sure I've ever heard it more than once in a game.

whobethis16 said:
Name 3 SEC bands that are better than the Pride. If you say anyone other than LSU, you will really show you're as ignorant as spelling Sousa's name wrong.
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How do you feel about the Aggie's band?

whobethis16 said:
1.) Ohio did not outplay the Pride, even with the smaller numbers in the Pride.

2.) Ohio's band sounds like absolute garbage. And that's a compliment.

3.) They don't march at all. They stop playing, move to a spot and sound like my craps in the morning.

4.) It's pathetic that people think watching college kids get on their hands and knees and be ridden by their peers is entertaining other than to laugh at them.
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This. Ohio brought some entertainment value, and that was about it.
 
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vavolunteer said:
4 year Pride alum here. A few thoughts:

1. This is happening. It is about revenue.
2. The director is a moron who has made this course of action all to easy for the AD.
3. While I've never hated on Hart or Cheek much, it is very easy for them to make
decisions like this cuz they aren't Tennessee people.
4. The majority of funding for the marching band scholoarships come from the AD.
5. The band numbers and quality have been down for at least 5 years. This year's
is the best in a while. Still not as good as the glory days though, and it could be.

Solutions:
1. Put a damn winning team on the field. This will solve all revenue problems.
2. Get a damn band director that knows what the hell he is doing. Sousa has been a
joke since the day he was hired. New stand tunes would help for God's sake.
3. Work to teach the newer generation our traditions and why they are important. Work
to show the older generarion why some evolution is needed to remain relevant.
4. Get every booster to raise hell if the band gets minimized or disrespected. It's who
we are, you don't walk away from who we are.
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