Vaccine or not?

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you have no examples of me lying.

I just gave you the examples, but you didn't say to give you proof. But I can always do a search (except on this alleged Bible Thread post where you said I called the Koran "my holy book").

Then you tell a lie of “something like that”

I said "something like that" because I didn't feel like going back to get my exact quote. You have a tendency of using quotation marks incorrectly (or deceptively). You should only use quotation marks like that when it is an exact quote. For example...

The only reason I can think of is your attitude change towards me when I pointed out that you are a Muslim. You called the Koran “your holy book “ in the Bible thread.

Now if this were an actual quote from me, I would have used the pronoun "my", not "your".

Still can’t prove I challenged you to anything beyond a race ….just like @NashVol11. That’s how I handle disputes.

Go to Post #5,656 and 5,657 in the Palestine/Israel thread.

Or @Sgt_Nick_Fury he was envolved in the challenge as well. And it was at the HIXSON high school track. To run…not to fight.

I faintly remember that but that had to be over a decade ago. But from you recent antics, would you have been running shirtless?

More accusational name calling but I’m the one mad? Ok.

You are passive aggressive.

Trying to drag someone else into your delusion when it’s clear what part it the post I was responding too.

No one is able to understand what your point was when you said @marcusluvsvols family didn't matter in the conversation.

The only thing you can confront me on as being untrue is now unprovable as the thread was deleted. I guess you’re not black now either?

You deliberately chose a thread that was deleted to make a slur. And yes, I'm still black.

Again another accusation without any form of proof. You’re the one pitching a fit because you outed yourself as a Muslim. I take no issue with it. I’m simply responding to you.

Lying again. You don't even make sense with your lies. Even if I were Muslim, I wouldn't have any need to hide that, anymore than I would need to hide that I am atheist. Only difference is that there are several examples of me saying I'm atheist in the search, but I challenge you to find one where I say I'm Muslim. And again, if I were a Muslim, so what?

It’s not lost on me that you don’t seem to care for proof, truth and reality.

You ignore truth and live in lies.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Wow. Seriously? Cognitive dissonance snaps to mind in regards to your post

Dead serious. I guess I'm weird to think that one family's death is not "far worse" than another.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Apparently a side effect of the experimental Covid shot is to challenge other men to race shirtless.

What a show.

You really have a fixation on wanting to see neckid Slice. Dood!

 

[82_VOL_83]

I could answer all that with research and the desire to do so.

I'm not certain he knows what "telemetry method" means in this context.

 

[VolinWayne]

I could answer all that with research and the desire to do so.

Sounds brutal to say the least. Speaking of cancer, one of my job-site supervisors has been in a battle for his life for the past 3 years. He's been doing chemo and radiation therapy and it's done nothing but gotten worse amd then to make matters worse he discovered that the chemo pretty much destroyed his heart. It's so sad because he has done everything the doctors have asked him to do and gotten nowhere

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m certain you wouldn’t win the 5k. I come from a family of runners.

Oh and my gun is bigger than yours.

Let’s do it.
Let’s pick a local 5k and go at it.

You have one bigger that a 50cal?

Edit: I bet we could get @Nerd-Vol to show up, run backwards and still beat the **** out of us both.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Your just plugged back in to the matrix. Welcome back.

Bonus points.
Should be able to like more than once.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Sounds brutal to say the least. Speaking of cancer, one of my job-site supervisors has been in a battle for his life for the past 3 years. He's been doing chemo and radiation therapy and it's done nothing but gotten worse amd then to make matters worse he discovered that the chemo pretty much destroyed his heart. It's so sad because he has done everything the doctors have asked him to do and gotten nowhere

That’s pretty typical. We passed on the chemo and had to really search to find Drs who would let us be part of and call the shots……which sucks as it’s our lives in the balance.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I just gave you the examples, but you didn't say to give you proof. But I can always do a search (except on this alleged Bible Thread post where you said I called the Koran "my holy book").

I said "something like that" because I didn't feel like going back to get my exact quote. You have a tendency of using quotation marks incorrectly (or deceptively). You should only use quotation marks like that when it is an exact quote. For example...


Now if this were an actual quote from me, I would have used the pronoun "my", not "your".



Go to Post #5,656 and 5,657 in the Palestine/Israel thread.


I faintly remember that but that had to be over a decade ago. But from you recent antics, would you have been running shirtless?


You are passive aggressive.


No one is able to understand what your point was when you said @marcusluvsvols family didn't matter in the conversation.


You deliberately chose a thread that was deleted to make a slur. And yes, I'm still black.


Lying again. You don't even make sense with your lies. Even if I were Muslim, I wouldn't have any need to hide that, anymore than I would need to hide that I am atheist. Only difference is that there are several examples of me saying I'm atheist in the search, but I challenge you to find one where I say I'm Muslim. And again, if I were a Muslim, so what?


You ignore truth and live in lies.

So in conclusion you’re a liar who doesn’t want to talk about anything beyond your hatred for me.

Got it.

No I didn’t read a thing you posted.

 

[Jxn Vol]

You really have a fixation on wanting to see neckid Slice. Dood!

It’s the other way around sport. I was propositioned. Top 5 VN moment for me.

dood

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Hahahahahaha

 

[marcusluvsvols]

That's hard to read, my man. I'm so sorry for your loss and the failure of the medical community. Please know that there are still good people in medicine that try to do the right thing every day.

Absolutely. My primary care shares our beliefs and is a conservative. I know youre good people too doc. Wish you could treat my kids and nephews but sadly we are in NC

 

[marcusluvsvols]

you just can’t make that argument while abandoning the scientific method,logic and reasoning.

I guess you can it’s just an incredibly ironic thing to say.

You and I arent gonna see eye to eye on this.

To save a bunch of time I am not gonna spend arguing with you or anyone else: i see things exactly the same as Kiddiedoc and Nursevol... based on dozens of posts i have seen them make including the recent back and forth with you. I am Glad your opinion and decisions seem to have worked out for you and your family bud. As always wish yall the best. We are all in great shape too, other than my FIL who was kidnapped and murdered for all practical purposes. The rest of us are very healthy and blessed.

 

[LouderVol]

You may have noticed I don’t argue in favor of the vaccine, right?
Edit: I have pointed out that the side effects pre exist the vaccine and occurs at the same rate among the unvaccinated…..but that’s hardly an endorsement of a vaccination that works marginally and less with each passing day

Again the vaccine should have strictly been an individual choice. It worked well on higher risk individuals in the early stages of the “pandemic “. As Covid developed into the cold and became less of a problem for those high risk people, oddly the vaccine became much less effective.

Children and healthy people under 45ish probably never needed the vaccine……still their choice though, not a mandate.

And nobody is taking about the lung issues from mask mandates. That’s going to be huge going forward and a lot of places are still masking. I think JNX said he still has to at work some of the time. Fing crazy

You are defending the vax pointing out problems with the methodology of the "counter studies", while not acknowledging the same pseudo science formed the issue.

seems like if you accept the vaccines weren't based on good science that equally not good science is an appropriate counter. or at least should be held to the same level of acceptability that the pro-vax "science" was.

we have a whole country, who by your own admittance, was forced/coerced/encouraged into not-good vaxxes based on bad science. seems like that is a far far worse issue, and worth addressing; than an equally bad argument against them with the power to do nothing. Its not like the people ITT are using the bad-anti-vax studies to justify NO vaxxes, or anything close to the pro-vax requirements to justify the discrepancy in how you address one over the other.

^granted I know there are true-anti-vaxxers using it, but imo thats a problem that sorts themselves out.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Dead serious. I guess I'm weird to think that one family's death is not "far worse" than another.

From his perspective it sure as hell is. But yeah I get your point. That's one reason why I think nothing about Joe Biden is sad or that he is being mistreated. F him and the whore he rode in with.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You and I arent gonna see eye to eye on this.

To save a bunch of time I am not gonna spend arguing with you or anyone else: i see things exactly the same as Kiddiedoc and Nursevol... based on dozens of posts i have seen them make including the recent back and forth with you. I am Glad your opinion and decisions seem to have worked out for you and your family bud. As always wish yall the best. We are all in great shape too, other than my FIL who was kidnapped and murdered for all practical purposes. The rest of us are very healthy and blessed.

Disagreeing on medical issues doesn’t mean anyone has cheated you or checked out on their ethics, oath or character.
I doubt very seriously you’d believe that of nursevol of kiddie doc if they happen to disagree with you. I wholeheartedly believe you should have the say so in your medical treatment and threatened to kill a Dr over it. That doesn’t mean that Dr was not fulfilling his oath to keep Red alive. In fact he was dead serious about his oath. Drs deal with morons all day long and often respond poorly to people.

None of that is relevant to you quoting two separate conversations in one post and me responding to the second as it relates to the post you quoted and replied too.
I even removed everything else from it.

 

[Orangeslice13]

You are defending the vax pointing out problems with the methodology of the "counter studies", while not acknowledging the same pseudo science formed the issue.

seems like if you accept the vaccines weren't based on good science that equally not good science is an appropriate counter. or at least should be held to the same level of acceptability that the pro-vax "science" was.

we have a whole country, who by your own admittance, was forced/coerced/encouraged into not-good vaxxes based on bad science. seems like that is a far far worse issue, and worth addressing; than an equally bad argument against them with the power to do nothing. Its not like the people ITT are using the bad-anti-vax studies to justify NO vaxxes, or anything close to the pro-vax requirements to justify the discrepancy in how you address one over the other.

^granted I know there are true-anti-vaxxers using it, but imo thats a problem that sorts themselves out.

I’ve offered no opinion on the covid vaccine studies. Effectiveness yes, studies, no.
What, any of what you just said, has to do with the ivermectin study debate….I have no idea.

I’ll repeat this just for you.

By the numbers
-The Covid 19 vaccine was effective in the first wave for high risk individuals.
-healthy young adults and children should not need it.
-masks in hindsight are proving to be a disaster. Especially the homemade cloth masks. (No numbers on that at the time other than proper procedure for masking in a medical environment would make general public masking impossible.
-ivermectin is safe as a medicine but doesn’t effect covid 19 in any way.
-medical professionals are not out to get you. They are making the best decisions they can doing what they believe is right based on their training. Sometimes they make mistakes but it’s not an act of terror against you. When I lost one of the twins at delivery the ER Dr made a decision that was not the best by the numbers (studies) the high risk OBGYN got there and corrected the situation. My other son and wife survived. They were all very sick. I can not say the ER Dr killed my son with a bad decision….there’s no way to know if my son would have survived had a different decision been made.
Edit: forgot lock downs. The ultimate stupidity. The lockdowns killed more people than any side effect

I got an education that day. Everyone better know their Drs and know them well because when the emergency hits it’s too late.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I’ve offered no opinion on the covid vaccine studies. Effectiveness yes, studies, no.
What, any of what you just said, has to do with the ivermectin study debate….I have no idea.

I’ll repeat this just for you.

By the numbers
-The Covid 19 vaccine was effective in the first wave for high risk individuals.
-healthy young adults and children should not need it.
-masks in hindsight are proving to be a disaster. Especially the homemade cloth masks. (No numbers on that at the time other than proper procedure for masking in a medical environment would make general public masking impossible.
-ivermectin is safe as a medicine but doesn’t effect covid 19 in any way.
-medical professionals are not out to get you. They are making the best decisions they can doing what they believe is right based on their training. Sometimes they make mistakes but it’s not an act of terror against you. When I lost one of the twins at delivery the ER Dr made a decision that was not the best by the numbers (studies) the high risk OBGYN got there and corrected the situation. My other son and wife survived. They were all very sick. I can not say the ER Dr killed my son with a bad decision….there’s no way to know if my son would have survived had a different decision been made.
Edit: forgot lock downs. The ultimate stupidity. The lockdowns killed more people than any side effect

I got an education that day. Everyone better know their Drs and know them well because when the emergency hits it’s too late.

Sadly many clinicians don’t get to make independent decisions. Many are employees of the hospital or health system.

For this reason you saw many patients get vented, renal systems get slugged by antivirals, and then die. It was the system’s algorithm and the doctors would/could not deviate.

I’m concerned we haven’t learned from our mistakes. I feel we are destined for a repeat due to so many folks not admitting mistakes.

 

[VolinWayne]

I’ve offered no opinion on the covid vaccine studies. Effectiveness yes, studies, no.
What, any of what you just said, has to do with the ivermectin study debate….I have no idea.

I’ll repeat this just for you.

By the numbers
-The Covid 19 vaccine was effective in the first wave for high risk individuals.
-healthy young adults and children should not need it.
-masks in hindsight are proving to be a disaster. Especially the homemade cloth masks. (No numbers on that at the time other than proper procedure for masking in a medical environment would make general public masking impossible.
-ivermectin is safe as a medicine but doesn’t effect covid 19 in any way.
-medical professionals are not out to get you. They are making the best decisions they can doing what they believe is right based on their training. Sometimes they make mistakes but it’s not an act of terror against you. When I lost one of the twins at delivery the ER Dr made a decision that was not the best by the numbers (studies) the high risk OBGYN got there and corrected the situation. My other son and wife survived. They were all very sick. I can not say the ER Dr killed my son with a bad decision….there’s no way to know if my son would have survived had a different decision been made.
Edit: forgot lock downs. The ultimate stupidity. The lockdowns killed more people than any side effect

I got an education that day. Everyone better know their Drs and know them well because when the emergency hits it’s too late.

Question for you...How many "peer reviewed" studies are there out there to back the treatment that cured your wife? I know there are countless peer reviewed studies about radiation and chemotherapy treatment for cancer...

 

[Orangeslice13]

Sadly many clinicians don’t get to make independent decisions. Many are employees of the hospital or health system.

For this reason you saw many patients get vented, renal systems get slugged by antivirals, and then die. It was the system’s algorithm and the doctors would/could not deviate.

I’m concerned we haven’t learned from our mistakes. I feel we are destined for a repeat due to so many folks not admitting mistakes.

True.
I agree the patient has been run over and allowed themselves to be so. We went through a bunch of Drs to get where we are. It’s sad that you have to be that diligent to survive but it’s literally life and death and most don’t think about it till it’s too late.
It’s been my experience that insurance runs things Ang is often the biggest problem to getting good treatment

 

[Orangeslice13]

Question for you...How many "peer reviewed" studies are there out there to back the treatment that cured your wife? I know there are countless peer reviewed studies about radiation and chemotherapy treatment for cancer...

More than I can remember a number on….so I’ll go with plenty. At the time, and probably still, they ran your DNA to see if you fit the profile.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Disagreeing on medical issues doesn’t mean anyone has cheated you or checked out on their ethics, oath or character.
I doubt very seriously you’d believe that of nursevol of kiddie doc if they happen to disagree with you. I wholeheartedly believe you should have the say so in your medical treatment and threatened to kill a Dr over it. That doesn’t mean that Dr was not fulfilling his oath to keep Red alive. In fact he was dead serious about his oath. Drs deal with morons all day long and often respond poorly to people.

None of that is relevant to you quoting two separate conversations in one post and me responding to the second as it relates to the post you quoted and replied too.
I even removed everything else from it.

Nothing but love here man. I am sorry you lost a child. That is one of the worst things that can possibly happen to a person, thats terrible man. We lost a child via miscarriage which honestly is nothing compared to a child you had perhaps years to love and know, to get closer to. My wife is still scarred from it and has a hard time every year on the anniversary of her (the baby) passing. Her name (I finally got to name #3) is Hope...which is poignant to me at least . Anyway, Best wishes bud for you and yours.

 

[C-south]

Question for you...How many "peer reviewed" studies are there out there to back the treatment that cured your wife? I know there are countless peer reviewed studies about radiation and chemotherapy treatment for cancer...

Currently going through chemo. It saved my life. It’s not always the devil.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Nothing but love here man. I am sorry you lost a child. That is one of the worst things that can possibly happen to a person, thats terrible man. We lost a child via miscarriage which honestly is nothing compared to a child you had perhaps years to love and know, to get closer to. My wife is still scarred from it and has a hard time every year on the anniversary of her (the baby) passing. Her name (I finally got to name #3) is Hope...which is poignant to me at least . Anyway, Best wishes bud for you and yours.

We had several miscarriages and honestly I think of them as much as the one I had to bury. It’s especially had on our women. Yours is lucky to have someone like you who “gets it”. Edit: and still understands his job to defend his family.
That pain never ends does it?

 

[Grand Vol]

Oh laws...

Social distancing prevented 800,000 deaths from COVID-19, new report says

The report's authors said changing people's behaviors before vaccines became available saved lives, but at great cost.

www.9news.com