Vaccine or not?

[85SugarVol]

There was no name calling, it was a statement, so anyone who prefers can disagree with anything they like.

“Vax or Vent” was very nasty.

 

[Vjcvette]

“Vax or Vent” was very nasty.

You are so wrong, my Stepmother was on a ventilator just 3 weeks ago because of a stroke and a cardiac arrest, and she was on a ventilator for about 3 days and now she is in rehab taking her first steps a month later, so there are times that ventilators save people's lives, so grow up already. And besides that, when people were so sick with covid they were using ventilators to save their lives and doing what they knew to do to save their lives and then they came out with a vaccine to try to prevent the illness from sending you to the hospital.

 

[C-south]

You are so wrong, my Stepmother was on a ventilator just 3 weeks ago because of a stroke and a cardiac arrest, and she was on a ventilator for about 3 days and now she is in rehab taking her first steps a month later, so there are times that ventilators save people's lives, so grow up already.

He’s saying that’s what the vaccine nuts were screeching at the height of idiocy. It had nothing to do with anyone actually needing a ventilator for something entirely different.

 

[Vjcvette]

He’s saying that’s what the vaccine nuts were screeching at the height of idiocy. It had nothing to do with anyone actually needing a ventilator for something entirely different.

He is saying that it was a bad thing that I said in 2021, that you should get vaccinated so that you would not end up like all the people that were already on ventilators, like it was just a terrible thing to say, and trying to compare it with all of the childish name calling that goes on in this thread.

 

[85SugarVol]

You are so wrong, my Stepmother was on a ventilator just 3 weeks ago because of a stroke and a cardiac arrest, and she was on a ventilator for about 3 days and now she is in rehab taking her first steps a month later, so there are times that ventilators save people's lives, so grow up already. And besides that, when people were so sick with covid they were using ventilators to save their lives and doing what they could to save their lives.

I understand your desire to reframe your nasty words.

The “vax or vent” jab had nothing to do with the efficacy of ventilators prior to Covid, or today.

It was nothing more than a nasty, distasteful taunt. “Get vaxxed, or this grisly fate awaits you”.

The history of this thread stands.

 

[Vjcvette]

I understand your desire to reframe your nasty words.

The “vax or vent” jab had nothing to do with the efficacy of ventilators prior to Covid, or today.

It was nothing more than a nasty, distasteful taunt. “Get vaxxed, or this grisly fate awaits you”.

The history of this thread stands.

If a vaccination is nasty to you or a ventilator is nasty to you then that is "You" period.

 

[C-south]

He is saying that it was a bad thing that I said in 2021, that you should get vaccinated so that you would not end up like all the people that were already on ventilators.

He’s right and your off the wall comparison was completely irrelevant. I had covid at least 3 times and was never on a ventilator for it. Hell 2 out of the 3 times I hardly had a symptom. However I was on a ventilator at the first of the year for 3 weeks for something completely unrelated. “Vax or vent” was a weak saying the nuts came up with.

 

[Vjcvette]

He’s right and your off the wall comparison was completely irrelevant. I had covid at least 3 times and was never on a ventilator for it. Hell 2 out of the 3 times I hardly had a symptom. However I was on a ventilator at the first of the year for 3 weeks for something completely unrelated. “Vax or vent” was a weak saying the nuts came up with.

I have never had covid and either has my father and I am so thankful. We both have had 7 covid vaccinations.

 

[C-south]

I have never had covid and either has my father and I am so thankful. We both have had 7 covid vaccinations.

You could attribute that as much to luck as you could any vaccine. I mean they’ve clearly said it doesn’t prevent covid but just “lessens the severity”. It lessens the severity of a virus that a large percentage of those infected were asymptomatic and has a .1% mortality rate.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You are so wrong, my Stepmother was on a ventilator just 3 weeks ago because of a stroke and a cardiac arrest, and she was on a ventilator for about 3 days and now she is in rehab taking her first steps a month later, so there are times that ventilators save people's lives, so grow up already. And besides that, when people were so sick with covid they were using ventilators to save their lives and doing what they knew to do to save their lives and then they came out with a vaccine to try to prevent the illness from sending you to the hospital.

And you do know that they have since discovered that those vents did as much damage as they did good.

And are you ever going to answer my question?

 

[LSU-SIU]

You could attribute that as much to luck as you could any vaccine. I mean they’ve clearly said it doesn’t prevent covid but just “lessens the severity”. It lessens the severity of a virus that a large percentage of those infected were asymptomatic and has a .1% mortality rate.

Wait till you explain they're not even vaccines, well most of them.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I have never had covid and either has my father and I am so thankful. We both have had 7 covid vaccinations.

So you both took a blood test? When was that, the last time? Let me clue you in on this, there really is no reason to get a blood test because everyone mostly has already had it.

I've never took the clot shot and have never tested positive for covid, although it is very likely I have had it.... most likely you have had it almost probable.

What you are suggesting and/or implying doesn't really compute.

 

[LSU-SIU]

And you do know that they have since discovered that those vents did as much damage as they did good.

And are you ever going to answer my question?

My guess. She wore a mask without question. She believed all the vent stuff without question. She believed the whole 15 days to flatten the curve stuff without question. She locked down in the interest of humanity without question. She took a non-vaccine without question. She's now onto implying (I would say almost promoting) things even the lying medical industry isn't even selling i.e. stops infections and transmission.

All I can see is her trying to imply a cause and effect without much of anything but some strange voodoo science to collaborate.

BTW, I eat 3 eggs in the morning and I have never caught rabies. A guy down the road does meth for years, he hasn't died.

Its like a female Luther. Luther actually believes those masks are going to save him... still.

 

[85SugarVol]

If a vaccination is nasty to you or a ventilator is nasty to you then that is "You" period.

Again trying to reframe.
Vaccine isn’t nasty. Ventilator isn’t nasty.

The taunt “vax or vent” is nasty.

You know this. That’s why you’re trying to squirm away from it.

 

[Vjcvette]

I understand your desire to reframe your nasty words.

The “vax or vent” jab had nothing to do with the efficacy of ventilators prior to Covid, or today.

It was nothing more than a nasty, distasteful taunt. “Get vaxxed, or this grisly fate awaits you”.

The history of this thread stands.

Not trying to squirm away, if a person was very sick, they were put on a ventilator, you could prevent the possibility of that with a vaccine....2 choices, 2 possibilities...so live with it or talk about it for another 3 years.

 

[utvolpj]

Not trying to squirm away, if a person was very sick, they were put on a ventilator, you could prevent the possibility of that with a vaccine....2 choices, 2 possibilities...so live with it or talk about it for another 3 years.

You continue to post things that are factually untrue. The vax does not prevent a person from contracting or transmitting covid. It also has a very short time frame for any effectiveness post injection.

Also, the most likely outcome for a person with covid who was placed on a ventilator was death. It was simply not a choice

 

[Vjcvette]

You continue to post things that are factually untrue. The vax does not prevent a person from contracting or transmitting covid. It also has a very short time frame for any effectiveness post injection.

Also, the most likely outcome for a person with covid who was placed on a ventilator was death. It was simply not a choice

ICU and ventilator mortality among critically ill adults with COVID-19 - PMC

We report preliminary data from a cohort of adults admitted to COVID-designated intensive care units from March 6 through April 17, 2020 across an academic healthcare system. Among 217 critically ill patients, mortality for those who required ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Vjcvette]

1. you were not taking a vaccine
2. the non-vaccines weren't even available
3. the non-vaccines do not stop infections or transmissions
4. the stuff you are taking you can't even tell anyone what the long-term issues with it are as you are the guinea pig

You went full retard now.

The vents were just one of the many lies that you bought into, now you can take whatever drugs someone gives... some people do meth. (each his/her own) However, what you are saying and implying even the evil medical industry isn't even saying.

The impact of vaccination on COVID-19 outbreaks in the United States - PMC

Global vaccine development efforts have been accelerated in response to the devastating COVID-19 pandemic. We evaluated the impact of a 2-dose COVID-19 vaccination campaign on reducing incidence, hospitalizations, and deaths in the United States ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[LSU-SIU]

The impact of vaccination on COVID-19 outbreaks in the United States - PMC

Global vaccine development efforts have been accelerated in response to the devastating COVID-19 pandemic. We evaluated the impact of a 2-dose COVID-19 vaccination campaign on reducing incidence, hospitalizations, and deaths in the United States ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You posting a link is not a discussion, what do you want to discuss?

(if your point is they(mRNA) are vaccines, they are not under most law in this country... mostly immaterial though)

You don't have to justify any drugs you take, but if you post stuff that seems to be retarded in nature than you have to prepare for a question. You seem to be drive by posting i.e. implying/suggesting/etc. which is a form of bad faith. What you are doing is providing information (in an implied state) that nobody is promoting not even the evil medical doctors.

 

[utvolpj]

ICU and ventilator mortality among critically ill adults with COVID-19 - PMC

We report preliminary data from a cohort of adults admitted to COVID-designated intensive care units from March 6 through April 17, 2020 across an academic healthcare system. Among 217 critically ill patients, mortality for those who required ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

From another nih study

While experience with COVID-19 continues to grow, reported mortality rates range from 50–97% in those requiring mechanical ventilation.

You're looking at data with 200 participants dated

Observational cohort study of patients admitted from March 6, 2020, to April 17, 2020.

I believe death on vents in NY was >80%.

Simply put, there's a reason the ventilator was discontinued for use with covid as it killed people. You need to look at newer reports

 

[LSU-SIU]

From another nih study


You're looking at data with 200 participants dated

I believe death on vents in NY was >80%.

Simply put, there's a reason the ventilator was discontinued for use with covid as it killed people. You need to look at newer reports

I believe (iirc) the initial data from China in early 2020 was like >98% of the people being put on vents never made it off, I seriously doubt any of the people ever made it out of the hospital. (going off memory) Most of what was happening was a lie, some lies had some truth to them, other lies were just naked. Again, the numbers can vary but I have serious doubt the vents helped the people with a respiratory disease.

The people that supposed died from covid more or less died from some other alignment, disease, condition, etc. that already existed. Covid simply quickened the pace. My bet is the vents contributed to additional deaths but I think that is a more difficult discussion.

The issue I have with her is more factual even at common sense level, nobody is promoting what she appears to be doing. She traded a somewhat know thing, to a whole thing that now includes serious unknown long term issues. Its her choice there.

 

[85SugarVol]

Not trying to squirm away, if a person was very sick, they were put on a ventilator, you could prevent the possibility of that with a vaccine....2 choices, 2 possibilities...so live with it or talk about it for another 3 years.

I’m living just fine, unvaxxed and perfectly healthy.

Goes against the message you were pushing that was essentially “Vax or Die”.

Do make sure you run back to tell us about your 9th Covid shot though.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

They have been testing flu shots with mRNA, too. I wouldn't touch these with a 10 foot pole either.

mRNA Flu Vaccine Possibilities | Pfizer

By using the same kind of technology that developed a COVID-19 vaccine, scientists can develop an mRNA flu vaccine with better speed and more precision.

www.pfizer.com

 

[Vjcvette]

I’m living just fine, unvaxxed and perfectly healthy.

Goes against the message you were pushing that was essentially “Vax or Die”.

Do make sure you run back to tell us about your 9th Covid shot though.

It was never "vax or Die", I mean you have repeated it for 3 years, "vax or vent", at least quote me right after 3 years of quoting me.

 

[Vjcvette]

From another nih study


You're looking at data with 200 participants dated

I believe death on vents in NY was >80%.

Simply put, there's a reason the ventilator was discontinued for use with covid as it killed people. You need to look at newer reports

Yeah ok