Vaccine or not?

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SpaceCoastVol said:
They couldn't because all the animals died. ALL of them. Well except the human ones, and the long term studies are still running.
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LOL.

"Oh, yeah, my girlfriend goes to a different school...you wouldn't know her"

or

"Trust me, bro."

In no world would *ALL* animal subjects die but like 0.0000001% of humans have adverse effects.
 
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Sea Ray said:
I think it's BS that we can see commercials like John Legend and Travis Kelce for the covid vaccine but no side effects are listed whereas all the other drugs advertised need to list them
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The problem with that is they'd have to purchase 4 extra minutes just to cover all of the side effects
 
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The reason these drug companies advertise direct to consumers on the news networks is because they are the ones propping up these networks. And the networks continue to allow them to promote their drugs in this incestuous relationship.

I tell folks to talk to their doctors and not listen to the advertisements
 
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Jxn Vol said:
The reason these drug companies advertise direct to consumers on the news networks is because they are the ones propping up these networks. And the networks continue to allow them to promote their drugs in this incestuous relationship.

I tell folks to talk to their doctors and not listen to the advertisements
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There's a reason that we are only 1 of 2 countries out of the entire world that allow this
 
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jwells said:
I'm not sure the ass is where to take them, but you do you.

They are safe and effective. Never in human history has there been a greater amount of data proving safety and effectiveness.

mRNA works.
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The covid vax was completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people. That was known and it was still pushed on everyone over 6mos old. That's criminal
 
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utvolpj said:
The covid vax was completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people. That was known and it was still pushed on everyone over 6mos old. That's criminal
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I wouldnt say vast majority but I get your drift

We got a lot of old people, fat people or people with pre-existing conditions in this country...

Mandating it for healthy infants was beyond stupid....
 
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Jxn Vol said:
The reason these drug companies advertise direct to consumers on the news networks is because they are the ones propping up these networks. And the networks continue to allow them to promote their drugs in this incestuous relationship.

I tell folks to talk to their doctors and not listen to the advertisements
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One of the areas I agree with RFKjr is where he wants to ban the advertising of drugs on TV.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I wouldnt say vast majority but I get your drift

We got a lot of old people, fat people or people with pre-existing conditions in this country...

Mandating it for healthy infants was beyond stupid....
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The vax was quite beneficial in the beginning due to most of us not having any immunity to this virus but a lot of things have changed since then making it far less necessary

1) We have developed some immunity to it
2) We've had many variants
3) We now know that it doesn't prevent infection or spread

I won't even get into the not yet admitted to side effects...it's now somewhat like our flu vaccine but less effective and not yet fully approved
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I wouldnt say vast majority but I get your drift

We got a lot of old people, fat people or people with pre-existing conditions in this country...

Mandating it for healthy infants was beyond stupid....
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It's a very large number. Basically any somewhat healthy person not eligible to join aarp. But absolutely no children unless an extreme case
 
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Sea Ray said:
One of the areas I agree with RFKjr is where he wants to ban the advertising of drugs on TV.
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The # 1 advertisement industry is pharmaceutical. #2 is automotive and they spend half of what #1 spends.

A proscribed medicine should never be advertised. 20 years ago when I worked part time in pharmaceutical those were the numbers. I would be willing to bet it hasn’t changed.
 
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VolinWayne said:
I completely agree with you that covid 19 was a weapon. I assume we can both agree that Anthony and anybody else involved should be brought to justice.

I also don't think we can turn a blind eye to the injustice that was done by mandating a product that was never properly tested and has PROVEN SIDE EFFECTS and pretend like they don't exist when they do indeed exist.
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Agreed. Nobody should believe they are not at risk because they didn’t take the vaccine.
 
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utvolpj said:
The covid vax was completely unnecessary for the vast majority of people. That was known and it was still pushed on everyone over 6mos old. That's criminal
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But that doesn't change that it was safe and effective. After my first bout with covid made me feel like I was dying, I had no issue getting the vaccine once available to stave off that level of misery again.
 
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jwells said:
But that doesn't change that it was safe and effective. After my first bout with covid made me feel like I was dying, I had no issue getting the vaccine once available to stave off that level of misery again.
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It was sold as preventing transmission and illness. It was completely ineffective at that. Not to mention entirely unnecessary for a large number. Safe is really debatable by effective is not. In fact the vax was likely responsible for the variants as it was released during the pandemic.

You will not get covid if you get the vax was stated by the potus. That's the measuring stick for effective
 
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utvolpj said:
It was sold as preventing transmission and illness. It was completely ineffective at that. Not to mention entirely unnecessary for a large number. Safe is really debatable by effective is not. In fact the vax was likely responsible for the variants as it was released during the pandemic.

You will not get covid if you get the vax was stated by the potus. That's the measuring stick for effective
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It's the measuring stick for literally any vaccine.

Even ignoring the data on the side effects and dangers of this drug, the story shows this one did nothing at best.
 
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utvolpj said:
You mean a drug taken by billions that won the Nobel prize for the creator? Come on, you can't use that nonsense and still claim to take the word of doctors and virologists.
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Calling a drug that was first introduced as an anti-parisitic for humans a "horse dewormer" is how you know someone is on some strong, rancid kool-aid.
 
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jwells said:
But that doesn't change that it was safe and effective. After my first bout with covid made me feel like I was dying, I had no issue getting the vaccine once available to stave off that level of misery again.
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It was safe and effective for you. For others, not so much. Can you please define "safe" for us? 50 deaths? 100 deaths? 1,000 deaths! 50,000 deaths? How many adverse reactions can a vaccine cause and it still be correctly called "safe"
 
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VolinWayne said:
It was safe and effective for you. For others, not so much. Can you please define "safe" for us? 50 deaths? 100 deaths? 1,000 deaths! 50,000 deaths? How many adverse reactions can a vaccine cause and it still be correctly called "safe"
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Even the flu shot has several hundred major adverse reactions each year...

The answer on safety should be if it significantly reduces the severe impact. It varies on age, health, etc.

Lets assume that covid vax was safe 99.9998% of the time so .0002% of the time it wasnt

If you are 55, have the diabetus, and fat, you might have had a 3% risk for severe COVID impacts in 2021. Probably makes sense there to take it.

If you were 16 and fit, you might have had a .00005% chance of severe COVID impact, makes no sense to take it.
 
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