Vaccine or not?

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utvolpj said:
You mean a drug taken by billions that won the Nobel prize for the creator? Come on, you can't use that nonsense and still claim to take the word of doctors and virologists.
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I'm not sure winning an award is a sign it wasn't safe or effective. They didn't do it to win the award.
 
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VolinWayne said:
It was safe and effective for you. For others, not so much. Can you please define "safe" for us? 50 deaths? 100 deaths? 1,000 deaths! 50,000 deaths? How many adverse reactions can a vaccine cause and it still be correctly called "safe"
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www.who.int

Vaccine efficacy, effectiveness and protection

www.who.int www.who.int

The benefits outweigh the risks. I'm not gonna argue seatbelts are not safe and effective because some people are hurt by the seatbelts.
 
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jwells said:
I'm not sure winning an award is a sign it wasn't safe or effective. They didn't do it to win the award.
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They didn't win an award for horse dewormer. That's simply a years old left wing talking point you thought was clever.

Say it's ineffective for covid but don't act like it's not a drug that's helped billions of people worldwide
 
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utvolpj said:
They didn't win an award for horse dewormer. That's simply a years old left wing talking point you thought was clever.

Say it's ineffective for covid but don't act like it's not a drug that's helped billions of people worldwide
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Yeah, I was being a bit cheeky towards the crowd who whined for it despite it being shown to be massively ineffective...and are apparently still buying it based on the ads on Newsmax and Twitter.
 
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Top virologist makes stunning claim about what'll happen when Trump takes office as Congo is put on 'max alert' for pandemic​


A pro-lockdown virologist has warned that Donald Trump faces a torrent of infectious disease outbreaks when he takes office.

The comments from Dr Peter Hotez come as the Congo is put on 'maximum alert' after a mystery respiratory virus killed nearly 150 people, mostly teenagers.

UN health officials have been sent there to contain the outbreak and prevent it from being a global crisis.


Dr Hotez, a leading supporter of lockdowns and mask mandates during the Covid pandemic, warned there were at least nine infectious diseases currently spreading in the US that could cause another pandemic — in a plea to the Trump administration not to cut disease research funding.

Scientists are currently warning over a surge in bird flu cases in animals that are spilling into humans, as well as a resurgence in measles and whooping cough linked to falling vaccination rates.

'All that's going to come crashing down on January 21 on the Trump administration. We need a really really good team to be able to handle this.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Top virologist claims there's 'pandemics coming on Jan 21'

Dr Peter Hotez, who was a leading voice during the Covid pandemic, warned there were at least nine infectious diseases currently spreading that could cause another pandemic - in a plea to the Trump administration not to cut disease research funding.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
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jwells said:
Yeah, I was being a bit cheeky towards the crowd who whined for it despite it being shown to be massively ineffective...and are apparently still buying it based on the ads on Newsmax and Twitter.
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But there was no harm in taking it. The people injecting their infants with an untested vax were infinitely more concerning

The issue with ivermectin, hcq, etc was that it couldn't be studied as an alternative if they were going to get the eua approval. It's why the went so hard to demonize it. Billions of dollars were at stake
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
LOL We haven't seen cardiac events in healthy High School & College athletes the way we have the last 4 years.
Not to mention the increase in myocarditis in HS & College athletes.
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I wonder if a lot of that is related to kids drinking more energy drinks and athletes taking other supplements that maybe they don’t fully understand on top of the strenuous workouts.
 
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jwells said:
Have some more horse dewormer, man. I'll take the word of doctors and virologists.
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Are you really this stupid?

Ivermectin is a near "wonder-drug," used worldwide for many years, with hundreds of millions of treatments administered annually. And, before you respond with "but not for viruses":

Antiviral (e.g. HIV, dengue, encephalitis)​

Recent research has confounded the belief, held for most of the past 40 years, that ivermectin was devoid of any antiviral characteristics. Ivermectin has been found to potently inhibit replication of the yellow fever virus, with EC50 values in the sub-nanomolar range. It also inhibits replication in several other flaviviruses, including dengue, Japanese encephalitis and tick-borne encephalitis, probably by targeting non-structural 3 helicase activity.97 Ivermectin inhibits dengue viruses and interrupts virus replication, bestowing protection against infection with all distinct virus serotypes, and has unexplored potential as a dengue antiviral.98

Ivermectin has also been demonstrated to be a potent broad-spectrum specific inhibitor of importin α/β-mediated nuclear transport and demonstrates antiviral activity against several RNA viruses by blocking the nuclear trafficking of viral proteins. It has been shown to have potent antiviral action against HIV-1 and dengue viruses, both of which are dependent on the importin protein superfamily for several key cellular processes. Ivermectin may be of import in disrupting HIV-1 integrase in HIV-1 as well as NS-5 (non-structural protein 5) polymerase in dengue viruses.99, 100
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kiddiedoc said:
Are you really this stupid?

Ivermectin is a near "wonder-drug," used worldwide for many years, with hundreds of millions of treatments administered annually. And, before you respond with "but not for viruses":
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Yet it was shown to be ineffective for covid. But still sold like crazy for covid. Despite evidence it didn't work.

Again, if the takeaway from that was that Ivermectin has no use...I think the sarcasm detector here is broken.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I think Evil Lawyer is back in the form of @jwells.

Stubborn attachment to stupidity checks out.
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It's hilarious how little substance you post vs how many snarky comments you post.

"you are wrong and I am right and I won't provide any evidence or argument other than you are wrong" is a stupid form of argument. It's effective in this echo chamber, though......allows you to maintain your position without everyone realizing you lack any substance.
 
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utvolpj said:
But there was no harm in taking it. The people injecting their infants with an untested vax were infinitely more concerning

The issue with ivermectin, hcq, etc was that it couldn't be studied as an alternative if they were going to get the eua approval. It's why the went so hard to demonize it. Billions of dollars were at stake
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Yet people DID study it. And it showed no efficacy. Same with HCQ.

Its continued popularity was tied to one thing: RW conspiracy surrounding the mRNA vaccine. I'm not sure any reasonable person cares WHAT works. I don't give a **** about Pfizer, the Nobel Prize, or any of that. I did care that people died because they were fat and sick and refused to take a vaccine that could have kept them alive.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Nope, unvaccinated folks haven't had their immune system compromised by the toxic jabs. Harvard and Oxford recently released reports which confirm that. The more jabs the more damage to your immune system which eventually will stop working as intended. Unvaccinated sperm is the new crypto 🤣
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Well call T Boone Pickens then as I just struck white gold!
 
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FortSanders said:
I have to say- I have taken my 8th COVID Vaccine shot. It has helped me avoid this dreadful disease. Case in point, while at the beach, my wife contracted COVID. Before she took the COVID test, we shared everything, activities, drinks, food, beds, etc. I never got it. In February, I plan to get vaccinated against COVID. I will continue to get The Vax as long as possible.

I am pro vax when it's right for you. Do what works for you.
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I don’t care if you took the shots or not as it literally has zero impact on me. I do think it’s just a coincidence you didn’t get it though, just like 3 members of my household have had Covid twice while the other 2 haven’t caught it. We certainly didn’t quarantine in the bedroom or stay away from each other. Some people seemingly are either immune or just don’t show symptoms.
 
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jwells said:
It's hilarious how little substance you post vs how many snarky comments you post.

"you are wrong and I am right and I won't provide any evidence or argument other than you are wrong" is a stupid form of argument. It's effective in this echo chamber, though......allows you to maintain your position without everyone realizing you lack any substance.
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🤣 😂 🤡
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The early 40s guy I mentioned earlier….I begged him to get checked out. He had covid 2 times and was very sick both times. He also thought he had nothing to fear because he didn’t take the vaccine. He leaves a wife, a 14 year old son and a 12 year old daughter behind with no father.

What does it hurt to get checked out …..even if you didn’t have the vaccine. If you’re wrong then you could be dead wrong.
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What makes you think it was caused by him getting covid? Like you said (I think it was you), some young people did die from clots pre-covid.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
What makes you think it was caused by him getting covid? Like you said (I think it was you), some young people did die from clots pre-covid.
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the same thing that has people believing the vaccine is causing side effects. The number of youths 20 and under experiencing sudden death is within the trend of the last 50 years. Those 30 and over have experienced a spike in sudden death. And it’s happening to everyone regardless of vaccine status. There are factors that are starting to emerge. It’s beginning to look like those who have the covid side effects are genetically similar. So it may not be just Comorbidities that’s driving it but also something within our individual genetics. Either way it’s probably a good idea to have yourself checked out if you experienced anything beyond a mild case of Covid.
It’s actually kinda scary if you look at how Lyme disease affects certain people and not others then compare it to Covid. If you want to put on a tinfoil hat it might look like something was learned from one and an improvement was made for the other. Then you would have to wonder what was learned this time.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
the same thing that has people believing the vaccine is causing side effects. The number of youths 20 and under experiencing sudden death is within the trend of the last 50 years. Those 30 and over have experienced a spike in sudden death. And it’s happening to everyone regardless of vaccine status. There are factors that are starting to emerge. It’s beginning to look like those who have the covid side effects are genetically similar. So it may not be just Comorbidities that’s driving it but also something within our individual genetics. Either way it’s probably a good idea to have yourself checked out if you experienced anything beyond a mild case of Covid.
It’s actually kinda scary if you look at how Lyme disease affects certain people and not others then compare it to Covid. If you want to put on a tinfoil hat it might look like something was learned from one and an improvement was made for the other. Then you would have to wonder what was learned this time.
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Both sides could easily be wrong. There are so many variables. I’m sure there are lingering effects from Covid and the vaccine but I also believe there’s a bunch of stuff people attribute to either the virus or the vaccine that are neither.
 
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NashVol11 said:
I don’t remember that at all, IIRC it was sold as making you less likely to die or be on a ventilator if you got COVID, not as some guarantee you’d never get it
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It absolutely was marketed and sold as something to prevent getting COVID in 2021. It was largely successful at that originally until virus mutated by Fall of 21....
 
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NashVol11 said:
I don’t remember that at all, IIRC it was sold as making you less likely to die or be on a ventilator if you got COVID, not as some guarantee you’d never get it
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Also Fauci

“When you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family but also you contribute to the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community,” Fauci said. “In other words, you become a dead end to the virus. And when there are a lot of dead ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. And that’s when you get a point that you have a markedly diminished rate of infection in the community.”
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