Vaccine or not?

[BigOrangeMojo]

The President of the United States literally said it on national tv.

Literally every manufacturer was claiming their vax was 9X.X% effective against transmission and catching it in 2021....

Guess that's not marketing

 

[NashVol11]

Literally every manufacturer was claiming their vax was 9X.X% effective against transmission and catching it in 2021....

Guess that's not marketing

He is implying 100%. If it’s marketed as 90% effective against transmission then it was marketed as 10% ineffective against transmission which isn’t some guarantee of prevention

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

More non marketing...

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

He is implying 100%. If it’s marketed as 90% effective against transmission then it was marketed as 10% ineffective against transmission which isn’t some guarantee of prevention

Your point was that it was originally marketed as something to reduce the severity of the disease.

That is 100000000000% incorrect

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolescent-trial-results

 

[NashVol11]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolescent-trial-results

This is still not a claim that it 100% prevents someone from getting COVID, we are talking past each other. Breakthrough cases have been a thing the whole time

 

[NashVol11]

Your point was that it was originally marketed as something to reduce the severity of the disease.

That is 100000000000% incorrect

Nope, was always both

Benefits of interest deemed critical were prevention of symptomatic laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and prevention of hospitalization due to COVID-19 (Table 2). Other important benefits included prevention of death due to COVID-19 and prevention of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Grading of Recommendations, Assessment, Development, and Evaluation (GRADE): Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine

Review GRADE for Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.

www.cdc.gov

 

[utvolpj]

He is implying 100%. If it’s marketed as 90% effective against transmission then it was marketed as 10% ineffective against transmission which isn’t some guarantee of prevention

It was marketed on something that was never studied or tested. There were no trials on transmission after vax it was just made up like the 6ft rule

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I don’t remember that at all, IIRC it was sold as making you less likely to die or be on a ventilator if you got COVID, not as some guarantee you’d never get it

This statement above is 10000000% false, no matter how you want to try to obscure it.

The overwhelming public marketing was always the high 90-100% efficacy.....

 

[NashVol11]

This statement above is 10000000% false, no matter how you want to try to obscure it.

The overwhelming public marketing was always the high 90-100% efficacy.....

“False” but no one can show me the guarantee you’d never get it

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Show me an ad from spring 2021 where the entirety of the ad is about "less severe results"...

Yeah, I didnt think so

 

[ButchPlz]

“False” but no one can show me the guarantee you’d never get it

Here's another example for you,

 

[NashVol11]

“False” but no one can show me the guarantee you’d never get it

Wake me up when someone does find this guarantee rather than strawmanning

 

[NashVol11]

Here's another example for you

Lol read your own link, brainiac

• Analysis of 927 confirmed symptomatic cases of COVID-19 demonstrates BNT162b2 is highly effective with 91.3% vaccine efficacy observed against COVID-19, measured seven days through up to six months after the second dose
• Vaccine was 100% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and 95.3% effective in preventing severe disease as defined by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration
• Vaccine was 100% effective in preventing COVID-19 cases in South Africa, where the B.1.351 lineage is prevalent

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

The argument was made that all of the marketing was about reducing severity if you caught COVID after you got the vax......

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services TV Spot, 'Our Future: 5 and Over'

The United States Department of Health and Human Services announces good news for America's future and its future leaders. Kids five and older are now eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine.

www.ispot.tv

Pfizer, Inc. TV Spot, 'Remarkable'

Pfizer says that protecting peoples' everyday routines drives the company to reach for the exceptional. The company calls this drive the pursuit of normal.

www.ispot.tv

 

[ButchPlz]

Lol read your own link, brainiac

Did you not just claim that nobody was marketing the vaccine as 100% effective?

Boy, you're not too bright.

 

[NashVol11]

The argument was made that all of the marketing was about reducing severity if you caught COVID after you got the vax......

U.S. Department of Health and Human Services TV Spot, 'Our Future: 5 and Over'

The United States Department of Health and Human Services announces good news for America's future and its future leaders. Kids five and older are now eligible for the COVID-19 vaccine.

www.ispot.tv

Pfizer, Inc. TV Spot, 'Remarkable'

Pfizer says that protecting peoples' everyday routines drives the company to reach for the exceptional. The company calls this drive the pursuit of normal.

www.ispot.tv

“All of the marketing” is something you just made up, it was about reducing transmission and making you less likely to be in the ICU if you did get it, which was acknowledged as a possibility from Day 1

 

[Orangeslice13]

Both sides could easily be wrong. There are so many variables. I’m sure there are lingering effects from Covid and the vaccine but I also believe there’s a bunch of stuff people attribute to either the virus or the vaccine that are neither.

Absolutely correct.
I’m speaking strictly on what the numbers say to this point. If those things change I will say so. I have no psych abilities so we will see what happens over time

 

[NashVol11]

Did you not just claim that nobody was marketing the vaccine as 100% effective?

Boy, you're not too bright.

I said no one marketed it as preventing 100% of cases, and your own link agrees with me lol

 

[Orangeslice13]

Biden saying something in a town hall and being immediately fact-checked isn’t how I would define “marketing” I suppose

There were a lot saying that it would prevent yards yada yada.
There were a lot saying “nut uh” I’d agree with you that there wasn’t a consensus on that.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

“All of the marketing” is something you just made up, it was about reducing transmission and making you less likely to be in the ICU if you did get it, which was acknowledged as a possibility from Day 1

IIRC it was sold as making you less likely to die or be on a ventilator if you got COVID, not as some guarantee you’d never get it

Literally what you said

You did not recall correctly. PERIOD.

Partisan hacks are gonna partisan hack

 

[NashVol11]

There were a lot saying that it would prevent yards yada yada.
There were a lot saying “nut uh” I’d agree with you that there wasn’t a consensus on that.

Even when Biden went too far in 2021, everyone still said the exact same thing I'm saying

BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” — town hall.

THE FACTS: Again, he painted with too broad a brush as he described in stark terms the disparity between those who got their shots and those who haven’t. The disparity is real, but a small number of breakthrough infections happen and health officials say they are not a cause for alarm.

No vaccines are perfect, and the government is keeping a close eye on whether new coronavirus mutants start to outsmart the COVID-19 shots. But for now, federal health officials say even when breakthrough infections occur, they tend to be mild — the vaccines so far remain strongly protective against serious illness.

Including Biden himself:

BIDEN, asked about vaccinated people who get infected: “It may be possible, I know of none where they’re hospitalized, in ICU and or have passed away so at a minimum I can say even if they did contract it, which I’m sorry they did, it’s such a tiny percentage and it’s not life threatening.” — remarks to reporters after the event.

THE FACTS: Once again, too far. That is evident from the CDC’s finding that 5,492 vaccinated people who tested positive for coronavirus were hospitalized or died as of July 12. That’s not “none.” But he is correct that it is a small percentage of the more than 159 million fully vaccinated Americans.

 

[NashVol11]

Literally what you said

You did not recall correctly. PERIOD.

OK, then find me the guarantee you'd never get it or you're talking just to talk

 

[DrRosenRosen]

small number of breakthrough infections. lol

 

[utvolpj]

Even when Biden went too far in 2021, everyone still said the exact same thing I'm saying



Including Biden himself:

All that ended up being wrong as well. There was no such thing as a breakthrough case as the vax never prevented anyone from getting it. Plenty of vaxxed have died from it as well