Vaccine or not?

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It's kind of hard for me to expand on the conversation as I don't even think they are "vaccines" under most federal and state law, depending on the state.

Lies on top of lies on top of another layer of lies.

Enjoy all the boosters the rest of your lives.
 
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NashVol11 said:
“Protect the entire community” means 100% vaccine efficacy for the rest of time? You’ve gone from strawmen to just insane reaches
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This was an early 21 ad. Entire means all. No disclaimer to the contrary.

The intent of this ad was clear. If everyone gets vaxxed, COVID is eliminated and the ENTIRE community is safe. The message wasnt "giving granny a watered down COVID"
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
This was an early 21 ad. Entire means all. No disclaimer to the contrary.

The intent of this ad was clear. If everyone gets vaxxed, COVID is eliminated and the ENTIRE community is safe. The message wasnt "giving granny a watered down COVID"
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You are all over the place, lol. If I had said “IIRC it was sold as making you less likely to die or be on a ventilator if you got COVID, not as something that reduces transmission” then your spamming ads and reading them in insane ways may make some sense, but as is you’re arguing furiously with your own lack of reading comprehension
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
This was an early 21 ad. Entire means all. No disclaimer to the contrary.

The intent of this ad was clear. If everyone gets vaxxed, COVID is eliminated and the ENTIRE community is safe. The message wasnt "giving granny a watered down COVID"
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I think he thinks we are all as brain damaged as he is, and that none of us can remember what happened a mere three years ago. I can't recall a single statement or ad that claimed the vaccine just "reduced severity" until it became extremely apparent (early spring 2022-ish) that the vaccine wasn't doing anything to prevent transmission as it was originally sold. The goalposts moved and apparently we're all supposed to forget the massive fraud that was perpetrated on the country by pharmaceutical companies, politicians, and other idiots.

I even specifically remember looking at data from the hospital system I work with alongside state transmission data to help prove the point that spread wasn't slowing down in heavily-vaxxed populations because that was THE ENTIRE CLAIM at the time.

PS: the accompanying claims that herd immunity was "fake" or "pseudoscience" were the real icing on the cake.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I think he thinks we are all as brain damaged as he is, and that none of us can remember what happened a mere three years ago. I can't recall a single statement or ad that claimed the vaccine just "reduced severity" until it became extremely apparent (early spring 2022-ish) that the vaccine wasn't doing anything to prevent transmission as it was originally sold. The goalposts moved and apparently we're all supposed to forget the massive fraud that was perpetrated on the country by pharmaceutical companies, politicians, and other idiots.

I even specifically remember looking at data from the hospital system I work with alongside state transmission data to help prove the point that spread wasn't slowing down in heavily-vaxxed populations because that was THE ENTIRE CLAIM at the time.
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The whole thing was a lie from the beginning. The government (federal and most states) were saying lockdowns, masks, social distancing, etc. i.e. 15 days to flatten the curve. It was a lie, the CDC had the data and they even published it.

Even with 100% quarantines (lockdowns were not quarantines, quarantines is nobody in, nobody out)... the virus would still spread and was not controllable.
 
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There is a fallacy in applying late 2024 knowledge after dozens of virus mutations to spring 2021. The original vaccine against the original virus was heavily (but not perfect) effective against catching/transmitting. It waned significantly with each mutation.

There isnt such thing as a 100% effective vaccine. The hope with any vax is there's enough people taking it and its effective enough to prevent community spread. This was marketed as such. Even MMR is only mid to upper 90% effective...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
There is a fallacy in applying late 2024 knowledge after dozens of virus mutations to spring 2021. The original vaccine against the original virus was heavily (but not perfect) effective against catching/transmitting. It waned significantly with each mutation.

There isnt such thing as a 100% effective vaccine. The hope with any vax is there's enough people taking it and its effective enough to prevent community spread. This was marketed as such. Even MMR is only mid to upper 90% effective...
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It was the first time a drug was advertised and promoted the way it was. Loads of people called out the BS from the start. Bourla was on multiple TV shows, twitter, newscasts, etc. talking about how the shot would let us get back to normal because it was "100%" effective. The media was pumping it down our throats, and politicians were telling us we had to have it to keep from getting COVID. It was all simply not true.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
There is a fallacy in applying late 2024 knowledge after dozens of virus mutations to spring 2021. The original vaccine against the original virus was heavily (but not perfect) effective against catching/transmitting. It waned significantly with each mutation.

There isnt such thing as a 100% effective vaccine. The hope with any vax is there's enough people taking it and its effective enough to prevent community spread. This was marketed as such. Even MMR is only mid to upper 90% effective...
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Which is why you don't introduce the vax during the pandemic
 
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jwells said:
Yeah, I was being a bit cheeky towards the crowd who whined for it despite it being shown to be massively ineffective...and are apparently still buying it based on the ads on Newsmax and Twitter.
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Problem identified. News from those places, these days news from any place, is highly questionable at best.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
There is a fallacy in applying late 2024 knowledge after dozens of virus mutations to spring 2021. The original vaccine against the original virus was heavily (but not perfect) effective against catching/transmitting. It waned significantly with each mutation.

There isnt such thing as a 100% effective vaccine. The hope with any vax is there's enough people taking it and its effective enough to prevent community spread. This was marketed as such. Even MMR is only mid to upper 90% effective...
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Even condoms aren’t 100% effective. Damn you Trojan!
 
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NashVol11 said:
I don’t remember that at all, IIRC it was sold as making you less likely to die or be on a ventilator if you got COVID, not as some guarantee you’d never get it
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You must have been in la la land then. The president of the US promoted the vaccine as a preventative until it became painfully obvious the vaccine didn’t prevent anything. Then Fauci/medical establishment, the Biden admin, and media pivoted to the “well, it’ll keep you off a ventilator” narrative.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Ah yes, wishing death on people. Always a good look.
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Nope liar, I didn't. It's the Bible that says God will end the sin infected mess the world has been made into. Got a problem, take it up God, not me. I didn't write the Bible. Try reading it to get your intentional misconceptions remedied.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Nope liar, I didn't. It's the Bible that says God will end the sin infected mess the world has been made into. Got a problem, take it up God, not me. I didn't write the Bible. Try reading it to get your intentional misconceptions remedied.
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LOL Ascribing Darwin qideals to God.

That's awesome
 
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