Vaccine or not?

[NorthDallas40]

When the govt owns the airlines it makes sense. They've spent too much money making them out to let them make actual rules

The gov would be in a stronger situation on this if it leverage the commerce clause as oversight on the airlines to basically make the airlines be the ones to force this.

 

[bamawriter]

Even more reason the government cannot dictate this. The gov has a great deal of latitude to coerce in situations like this but cannot directly force. That’s the theory behind the mandates that I’ve read.

The government can force you to have working tail lights on your car. They can punish you for driving while intoxicated. They can place any number of requirements on your ability to travel.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Can you skip TSA lines at the airport? Can you tell them not to open your bags?

Again more reason stating why it’s direct government action and won’t pass muster there.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The government can force you to have working tail lights on your car. They can punish you for driving while intoxicated. They can place any number of requirements on your ability to travel.

They cannot directly force you to inject something into your body. That won’t fly.

 

[utvolpj]

They cannot directly force you to inject something into your body. That won’t fly.

You have a choice if using their service it not. Same as kids in school

 

[bamawriter]

Again more reason stating why it’s direct government action and won’t pass muster there.

How does the existence of the TSA indicate that the government can't impose mandates on air travel?

 

[bamawriter]

They cannot directly force you to inject something into your body. That won’t fly.

You'd have an easy method of opting out: don't get on a plane.

 

[hog88]

No. Both are privileges.

Air travel is neither a right or privilege it is a service.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You have a choice if using their service it not. Same as kids in school

Bad example. On school you have the option for home school. Again the gov can get what they want here by oversight of the airlines abd get them to force the issue.

 

[utvolpj]

Bad example. On school you have the option for home school. Again the gov can get what they want here by oversight of the airlines abd get them to force the issue.

So you can't drive instead?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Air travel is neither a right or privilege it is a service.

But do you have a right to that service or is it a privilege?

 

[NorthDallas40]

You'd have an easy method of opting out: don't get on a plane.

That doesn’t provide any meaningful recourse to resolve the issue. If you put down your gov water pail and think the gov has much more power directly over the airlines directly to push this and get what they want.

 

[hog88]

The governments allow the airlines to utilize their airports and airspace.

The airlines pay to use the airports and we the taxpayers pay for the airspace.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So you can't drive instead?

To Hawaii?

 

[Matt2496]

H.R.4980 - To direct the
This is downright insane that this is even being considered in America!

Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for other purposes.117th Congress (2021-2022) | Get alerts



H.R.4980 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): To direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to ensure that any individual traveling on a flight that departs from or arrives to an airport inside the United States or a territory of the United States is fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and for other purposes.

This was always the plan.

 

[hog88]

You'd have an easy method of opting out: don't get on a plane.

Or claim a religious exemption.

 

[MG1968]

Air travel is neither a right or privilege it is a service.

And the airlines on which you fly have the right, as private institutions, to limit access to that service.

 

[Impossible Girl]

This was always the plan.

Hell, they shouldn’t have allowed anyone to enter this country without testing negative. That includes the border as well as those entering in an airplane. How do you think it got here in the first place? Or the variants?

 

[utvolpj]

To Hawaii?

Get on the boat...

 

[bamawriter]

The airlines pay to use the airports and we the taxpayers pay for the airspace.

Paying rent doesn't mean the tenant sets the rules.

And we pay for roads and, as discussed already, there are all kinds of requirements for using those.

 

[hog88]

But do you have a right to that service or is it a privilege?

Neither. IMO since air travel is a service by current laws they can't refuse service to anyone based on sex, sexual preference, race, religion, nationality or disability. If this passes I don't want to see anymore peanut free flights because the airlines require no proof of peanut allergies.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Get on the boat...

Lulz. I’m sure your government appreciates your support here.

They have stronger stances over companies via the commerce clause to coerce them instead of directly forcing people to inject something in their body.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Paying rent doesn't mean the tenant sets the rules.

And we pay for roads and, as discussed already, there are all kinds of requirements for using those.

That’s a horrible analogy since based on the source of all this money originally and you know it.

 

[bamawriter]

That doesn’t provide any meaningful recourse to resolve the issue. If you put down your gov water pail and think the gov has much more power directly over the airlines directly to push this and get what they want.

They can do it directly, too. Whether they should is not at all the same question as whether they can.

 

[bamawriter]

That’s a horrible analogy since based on the source of all this money originally and you know it.

I know no such thing.