Vaccine or not?

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SlingBlayde said:
Single death cases don't mean much regarding a medical treatment's efficacy. There could be 1000 positive cases out there where people were saved using Ivermectin but you'd never know because of the media. They will, however, happily report cases where it doesn't work and the patient dies.

I think it may be too early to label a vax group (pro or anti) as sheep. I'm banking on God given natural immunity in conjunction with alternative meds that doctors have had proven success with as opposed to a synthetic vax, rushed through production, untested (full gamut with animals and select humans) and only approved by the FDA as a political move. IMO it could take years for the dust to settle on all of this.
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Even though the "vaccines" do show early signs of working, the above that you mentioned should not be taken lightly. Right now, all we have the luxury of seeing are the immediate short term effect. What has always been of concern are the effects of these "vaccines" long term. In my mind last year, I already had it figured that they would try to mandate this. But, at the time I also figured that best case scenario would be that I would likely get it a year or two after it is released, if I didn't get sick with it first. But with the way that the media and the administration has shut off all alternative treatments, I'm not looking to even get it unless I backed into a corner.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Even though the "vaccines" do show early signs of working, the above that you mentioned should not be taken lightly. Right now, all we have the luxury of seeing are the immediate short term effect. What has always been of concern are the effects of these "vaccines" long term. In my mind last year, I already had it figured that they would try to mandate this. But, at the time I also figured that best case scenario would be that I would likely get it a year or two after it is released, if I didn't get sick with it first. But with the way that the media and the administration has shut off all alternative treatments, I'm not looking to even get it unless I backed into a corner.
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I will gladly allow them to give me the vax when I'm lying in a coffin LOL. However, if others want to get it, have it at it. My body, my choice right?
 
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If everybody in Israel received the vaccine, there would have been no recovered with no vaccination to include in the study they just completed showing natural immunity is stronger against Delta variant than two doses of Pfizer. I guess they can use me when they do the study in U.S.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
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****ing morons are saying catching the disease is better at preventing catching the disease than the vaccine. I understand why you’re confused
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Next time we have another "pandemic", could we try just isolating the elderly and people with multiple comorbidities, but allowing the virus to run its course naturally through the population to build up natural immunities?
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If CWD jumps to humans like we thought it had last week there will be nowhere for anyone to hide. It’s that scary.
Fortunately there’s a group already working on it.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
If CWD jumps to humans like we thought it had last week there will be nowhere for anyone to hide. It’s that scary.
Fortunately there’s a group already working on it.
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Now you are talking a totally different animal. COVID or the flu should just run its course. But you start getting into The Plague, small pox, polio or CWD and my approach changes. The threat level and danger is far, far higher.

IOW, there are levels to this. There has to be a discussion had where we draw a line somewhere between influenza/COVID and polio with regards to a lot of these lockdown measures suspension of freedoms.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You tell me, but I'm willing to wager we are talking about fractions of percentage points.
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What do you mean “you tell me”? You are the one giving those numbers. I was simply asking what those numbers specified. Risk of hospitalization? Risk of death? Risk of death based off a specific age group?
 
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Is something going on that I missed? Sen. Thom Tillis R-NC is saying COVID is being spread by the unvaccinated NOT by illegal immigrants 🤔
 
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Persian Vol said:
What do you mean “you tell me”? You are the one giving those numbers. I was simply asking what those numbers specified. Risk of hospitalization? Risk of death? Risk of death based off a specific age group?
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All of the above most likely. I kind of pulled those numbers out of my rear, but it was based on other data I had seen posted before from different studies where someone would post something like "the unvaccinated are 10Xs more likely to be hospitalized/die than the vaccinated". And then you look at the numbers and you are talking about 100 out of 100000 vs 10 out of 100000 or some nonsense like that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I simply do not understand the urgency and the push to this one option.
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My opinion…..
It’s not the death rate that’s the problem. It’s the volume. This isn’t the flu. It’s way more contagious. Look at it this way. They say it’s 1000 times more contagious than the flu. Let’s assume it’s a 1% death rate. If the flu infected 100 people in a day then Covid gets 100,000. And a 1% death rate becomes a real problem. The hospitals just can’t handle that type of volume.

Numbers are pulled from my ass as an example…..but that’s the reason for the urgency IMO.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
My opinion…..
It’s not the death rate that’s the problem. It’s the volume. This isn’t the flu. It’s way more contagious. Look at it this way. They say it’s 1000 times more contagious than the flu. Let’s assume it’s a 1% death rate. If the flu infected 100 people in a day then Covid gets 100,000. And a 1% death rate becomes a real problem. The hospitals just can’t handle that type of volume.

Numbers are pulled from my ass as an example…..but that’s the reason for the urgency IMO.
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It obviously isn't spreading as easily as they say. I know of two married couples that got it while the other spouse didn't.

600k lives last year, and 95% of those were elderly and/or had 2 or more comorbidities.
 
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‘Natural Immunity Is Really Better’: New Israeli Study Fuels Debate On Vaccination Versus Natural Immunity

A new study of the power of COVID-19 natural immunity versus the protection provided by vaccines is igniting further debate among scientists on how to assess risk from the virus.

The observational study of more than 700,000 Israelis, which hasn’t yet been peer-reviewed, compared three groups: those who hadn’t been infected and received two doses of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine, those who had been infected and were completely unvaccinated and individuals who were previously infected and received one dose of the vaccine. The researchers found that uninfected vaccine recipients were 13 times more likely to experience a breakthrough infection than those who were previously infected.

“It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm, Sweden, told Science Magazine. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”

‘Natural Immunity Is Really Better’: New Israeli Study Fuels Debate On Vaccination Versus Natural Immunity
 
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