Vaccine or not?

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Orangeslice13 said:
it absolutely saves lives.
Getting the flu to prevent getting the flu is ****ing stupid
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Are you being serious right now? That isn't the logic behind it. People are not trying to get the flu in order to prevent getting the flu. People (assuming you are in a low risk group) are logically weighing their options and risking getting the virus and it builds up their natural immunity *to help prevent future infections) and collectively, it helps drives us closer to herd immunity. Once we get to herd immunity, all of this can end sooner. It is no more risky than injecting a weakened form of a virus (traditional vaccines such as polio and small pox) and using it to build up immunity and drive us closer to herd immunity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Are you being serious right now? That isn't the logic behind it. People are not trying to get the flu in order to prevent getting the flu. People (assuming you are in a low risk group) are logically weighing their options and risking getting the virus and it builds up their natural immunity *to help prevent future infections) and collectively, it helps drives us closer to herd immunity. Once we get to herd immunity, all of this can end sooner. It is no more risky than injecting a weakened form of a virus (traditional vaccines such as polio and small pox) and using it to build up immunity and drive us closer to herd immunity.
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Yes I’m being serious. That is absolutely the argument that’s being made but some and it’s stupid. They are free to do what they want, just be honest with yourself in the decision making process.
And logically the vaccine as a therapeutic gets us to endemic faster. Herd immunity isn’t happening.
Edit: and as a footnote the article that everyone is touting also recommended that those who have natural immunity should get the vaccine. Talk about not reading your sources and just posting a headline
 
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@Rasputin_Vol
just numbers.

Coronavirus (COVID-19)


Compared to January
Case load is down in comparison
Hospitalization is up in comparison
ICU is up in comparison.
Deaths are down but Deaths lag a little bit but hopefully the death rate stays down.

The point? Back to my opinion earlier that the urgency in pushing vaccine is to protect the system which is currently stretched and it’s not because nurses are not at work.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
All of the above most likely. I kind of pulled those numbers out of my rear, but it was based on other data I had seen posted before from different studies where someone would post something like "the unvaccinated are 10Xs more likely to be hospitalized/die than the vaccinated". And then you look at the numbers and you are talking about 100 out of 100000 vs 10 out of 100000 or some nonsense like that.
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% of hospitalizations and death are two very different things. Factoring age can change these percentages significantly. I’m just saying that if you are going to pull out numbers, they need to mean something specifically as there are too many variables to generalize.
 
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Has there been someone from the CDC or NIH or just about anyone that has ever addressed empathetically the list of reasonable concerns people have about getting the vaccine?

I’m a large supporter of the vaccine, but I wish there was more effort in addressing concerns of “anti-vaxers” rather than what seems to me as strong arming and shaming.
 
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I’m still in disbelief on how many people are misinformed into thinking the vaccine does nothing in regards to prevention of obtaining the virus. While efficacy and immunity has decreased over time, there is plenty of evidence showing that the vaccines still express a decent amount of protection from acquiring the virus, and of course drastically decreasing the likelihood of severe symptoms.

I have heard from countless people that the vaccine does not work and is simply “therapy” because it’s efficacy is essentially not 100%. No vaccine has ever had 100% resistance to a virus. That’s not what defines a vaccine. A vaccine is defined by being a substance used to stimulate your immune system into something that can recognize and fight off the future pathogen that it was provided information about. Sometimes those numbers can be as effective as >90%, and sometimes those numbers can be around 40-60% (the flu vaccine year to year). Regardless, they will all theoretically provide some protection to catching the virus, and as well as ensuring your symptoms if you do catch it are milder than if you had not had it at all.

I can only assume a grown adult who thinks the vaccine is not in their best interest has had to have received some crazy amount of misinformation to get to that point.
 
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